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Apr 4 2004
05:18
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I don’t own vocaloid yet, but was curious how vocaloid saves it’s performances: as .wav files, or .mid files, or both, or….?

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G

Apr 4 2004
07:13
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Using the current version of Vocaloid, you save your songs as a special format midi file. Or you can render the mix of voices (or an individual voice), as a mono/stereo standard wav file. Or you can use rewire.

[The vocaloid midi files dont contain standard midi data like note-on note-off etc, because of the way vocaloid synthesises, it needs all the data in advance. The midi files contain mainly NRPN and DataEnt midi messages. There is 8 pages in the back of the vocaloid manual that outline what all the vocaloid midi messages mean, but its not for the faint hearted!]

Apr 4 2004
20:40
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Interesting. Are the designated NRPN controller numbers there to control, say, the “emotional value” of the singer itself?

Thanks for the info,

G

Apr 5 2004
07:40
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I just had a look at the 8 pages of technical data in the back of my manual. These midi values control the various parameters available to change the sound of the voice. They are things like attack, vibrato depth, gender factor, brightness, resonance etc. I don’t believe it is quite the same thing as “emotional value”, as Vocaloid has no [i:3fgowtiz]emotion[/i:3fgowtiz] when it sings. What you are changing is the sound/timbre/quality of the voice. Any emotion in the voice would be more likely imagined. After all, the voice is put together, albeit very cleverly, from multiple samples.
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Apr 5 2004
12:34
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[quote="andromeda":3kwnhbwf]Vocaloid has no [i:3kwnhbwf]emotion[/i:3kwnhbwf] when it sings […] Any emotion in the voice would be more likely imagined.[/quote:3kwnhbwf]

I disagree with that. Musical notes are all about emotion! The fact that Vocaloid is musical rather than just speech means it’s a great opportunity to create emotion. But I do realise how long it would take to get that crying-yodeling folky/country sort of voice, LOL :D

Apr 5 2004
13:01
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Mmm. I don’t think a single musical note has any emotion in it. Surely the emotional effect is created by the combination of all the other sounds, and the notes that have come before. When I say no emotion, I don’t mean the subective emotional effect the music has on you – rather, any emotional input or interpretation given to the note by a singer, over and above what is already in the music. I assumed that is what the original question was asking. In other words, there is no MIDI parameter in Vocaloid to increase “happiness”, “sadness”, “anger” etc. Would that there were…
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Chris

Apr 5 2004
13:15
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[quote="andromeda":3014mq19]When I say no emotion, I don’t mean the subective emotional effect the music has on you – rather, any emotional input or interpretation given to the note by a singer[/quote:3014mq19]

With Vocaloid YOU are the singer :D. The [i:3014mq19]input [/i:3014mq19]comes from YOU. Vocaloid will only do what you tell it to. Emotions are subjective anyway, and in music they need the other components like lyrics and notes to express the emotion. For instance, take ‘Happy Birthday’. In itself it isn’t a particularly happy tune .. you could set funereal lyrics to Happy Birthday and it still works. I think Jazz figured this out long ago. How many Blues songs are happy and at the same time sad? Most of them.

Apr 5 2004
13:36
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I guess “emotional value” is a poor term to use <img class=” /> . I meant being able to input all the subtleties of how a performance is sung. A chorus may start out more “explosive” than a verse. Or a vocal line may be more airy sounding, and have less vocal chord sound. That sort of thing.

Andromeda, you mention “brightness” being one MIDI parameter to control. What exactly is “brightness” in vocaloid terms?

Is there a manual to browse through online?
I’d like to see the NRPN #’s and parameters.

Thanks for the info everyone!

G

Apr 5 2004
13:47
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I wish I knew what brightness actually meant! In the manual it says “boosts or cuts the voice’s high frequency content.” High values add a brighter “presence” to the voice, lower values make it more mellow.
There is also a similar parameter called “clearness”. The manual says very little. Maybe our admin Joe can give you more info.
Cheers
Chris

Apr 5 2004
13:48
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To Q
Could I get Leon to sing like Leonard Cohen? Now that can make anyone cut his own wrists….
Cheers
Chris

Apr 5 2004
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It’d take you so long and been so frustrating that you’d have cut your own wrists long before that….. <img class=” />

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