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Oct 7 2005
23:40
lorray
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Just got Miriam and Leon and have been working on some tracks. The one thing I’m having trouble figuring out is that Miriam, on some words, cuts off before the end of the note, making it sound choppy. . . for example, “blind man” sounds choppy because “blind” does not run into “man” even though the notes are as close together as I can get. I guess what I’m asking is whether there is a trick to making it sound more lyrical. . .

Oct 20 2005
12:42
peter
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Have you tried changing the singing style to legato – this should help.

Oct 20 2005
19:56
lorray
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I did try changing the singing style to legato. It seems that with synthesis 1.0 the singing style has no effect. . . I made several test vocal wav forms using the various “styles” and they sounded and looked exactly the same. The 1.1 synthesis engine sounded terrible. . . it’s idea of “legato” was to use a glissando between intervals, which sounded absolutely hideous. The biggest drawback I see to this software is the inability to create any kind of lifelike phrasing. If there’s a way to do it I sure would like someone to help me out!

Oct 28 2005
18:58
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Hi, just to say what a great job you’ve done on ‘miracle man’.

I know the phrasing’s not perfect on the passages where there are a lot of words in quick succession, but mostly it sounds very realistic.

Did you do a lot of processing on the voice outside of vocaloid?

cheers

Oct 28 2005
23:39
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Thanks for the compliment!

Let’s say I spent quite a bit of time on the post production aspect, but tried to limit the amount of changes so that it was subtle and not blatant.
EQ-ing the voice really helped to shape the tone. A light chorus effect and similar application of reverb helps to smooth some of the choppiness out of the voice. The most important thing was to zoom out as far as you can go and stretch the vocals as much as possible to create a smoother vocal. I’ve noticed that increasing the “noise” level straight through the vocal helps the consonants to be a bit more pronounced, making it a little easier to understand the vocals. Vocalists sing on vowels and move on consonants. . . so often I would move an ending consonant (a “d” or “t”, etc.) off of the end of one word and on to the beginning of the next. It’s how natural singers sing. . . but I haven’t been able to tell if that is any more effective in creating a smooth lyric. I have the “Leon” and “Miriam” products, and of the two, Miriam by far comes across more natural sounding. I’m still experimenting with the vocal sounds, but I’m getting to the place where I feel I can use it for my demo work at least.

Oct 29 2005
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Thanks for the info – I think you are really close to having a ‘convincing’ vocal.

Just wondering – on the lines where the timing is not quite ‘there’, have you tried snipping the wav file up into micro slices and
repositioning each word in your sequencer/soft studio? I’m thinking of lines like ‘force of god’s plan’, where Vocaloid is struggling to get the meter correct.

As a listener I find the timing limitations of Vocaloid more of a barrier than the sometimes odd pronunciation.

Look forward to hearing more of your work, it’s sounding pretty good !

cheers

Oct 31 2005
22:01
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Also note that the consonants can be lengthened and shortened. click the note to edit. Then click edit , then edit again. The last screen has arrows by each syllable to lengthen/shorten. try a value around 100 for a more accented or held pronunciation. It’s been a few weeks since I last used this feature. Hope I used correct terms. If not look for words with meaning similar to edit or revise.

Oct 31 2005
23:10
lorray
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I’ll try that consonant lengthening idea, that’s great. Thanks!

Nov 7 2005
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Hi Lorray,
Just a note to agree with Floopy about how good Miracle Man is. If I can get half as good a result on my first attempt I’ll be happy!

And Gray, thanks for the editing consonants tip – I’ll try that in a few minutes

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