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Improving pronunciation.
Jan 18 2008
02:49
meaparicio
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So far I´m not impressed with the pronunciation (english) from any of the Zero-G sigers. <img class=” />
Does any body have any tips to share regarding how to obtain a clearer, readable pronunciation from lyrics?

Jan 19 2008
02:30
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[quote="meaparicio":3nbx3yt1]So far I´m not impressed with the pronunciation (english) from any of the Zero-G sigers. <img class=” />
Does any body have any tips to share regarding how to obtain a clearer, readable pronunciation from lyrics?[/quote:3nbx3yt1]

I just listened to Giuseppe’s demos of "Yesterday", and "Over the Rainbow" [url:3nbx3yt1]http://www.myspace.com/giuseppeprima[/url:3nbx3yt1], and have to agree with you completely. The English pronunciation is not good at all.

Formerly, having listened to demos like the aria "Voi Che Sapete" from "La Nozze di Figaro", I was amazed at how realistic the voice sounded, like a real human opera singer, not like a computer voice at all. (Not that I or most of us could necessarily get such results. I think Giuseppe has done amazing work, that might be very difficult to replicate.)

I don’t know Italian, however, so an Italian listening to that aria demo might say that the Italian pronunciation is not good. (Italian might be easier to replicate, however, using more pure vowels.)

Listening to the two demos in English I mentioned above, one would never hear that, and think it is real singer, whose native language is English. (Although I assume they did use an English-speaking singer to sample the voices–as Zero-G did with its earlier voices–Leon, Lola, and Miriam.)

Although I’m sure that Vocaloid 2 is improved in many ways over Vocaloid 1, it doesn’t look like English pronunciation is one of the areas of improvement. In fact, I’m even wondering if the pronunciation might be worse than the ZG Voc 1 voices. I hope they improve that in the future.

Of course, one could speculate that it’s not Prima, but something about how Giuseppe programmed the songs, that make their pronunciation sound very foreign. After all, he is not a native English speaker, and probably speaks the language with an accent himself. I doubt that’s the case, however. Prima isn’t modeling his voice. The voice was modeled on an English-speaking singer, and English is Prima’s native language. One is supposed to be able to type in English words, and Prima is supposed to translate that correctly to phonemes. Assuming Giuseppe’s spelling was correct in typing the words (as I assume it was), that should be enough to get Prima to pronounce English correctly, his own speaking accent is irrelevant.

It will be interesting to see the results more people get, when they try out this program. Has anyone here downloaded it and tried it yet? Reviews?

I hope a working demo of this program (not crippled in features, just time-limited) becomes available soon, so that more of us can try it out. I think a lot of us want to try it before we consider buying it. It’s not enough to hear demo recordings someone else made, no matter how good. One has to see how the program works for oneself, for one’s own way of working, etc.

And—–I hope they improve Prima’s pronunciation.

Jan 19 2008
05:59
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I’m sure that a person English-speaker can do that Prima sing perfectly in English.
I can give technical support and tricks to improve the expression of the voice.

Jan 19 2008
23:58
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My comment was general to ALL pronunciation heard in demos and samples, either in this forum or in the software companies pages. :)
:o What is surprising is the fact that the most difficult part, which was to produce a well legato voice, with smooth portamento, clear timbre, controllable dynamics, etc., wa accomplished by Yamaha. <img class=” /> Nevertheless, plain phoneme application has a lot to desire. :evil: But the problem was solved VERY well by LOQUENDO and AT&T in their respective speech kits.
Why had Yamaha to reinvent the wheel, creating a new phoneme structure? :?:
Just listen to any of LOQUENDO speakers to hear very emphatic and precise pronunciation of consonants and diptongues.
If Yamaha blends their own "singer" algorythm wich renders very good, warm and musical voices with the sharp pronunciation accomplished by LOQUENDO team, certainly there would be a very effective singing system altogether! :P
Right now, and I don´t think VOCALOID 2 has changed that, the results are sufficient for adding vocals in secondary planes, or where the lyrics are not absolutely relevant. In such cases, for choral support, non important leads or if the strange, foreign like sounding, is acceptable and even desirable, Vocaloid is OK. Much better something than nothing, of course!
Technically, the user interface is kind of childish. It is lacking the simple ability to input notes via MIDI, and not only importing them. It also lacks a way of listening to the melody line, note by note, by simply placing a special cursor (SONAR like) over each note. Simple things that would make it much easier to laydown and correct a song.
Acces to the internal dictionary would allow to edit permanently, not so good words. (That is: MANY) And other things. I will keep reviewing the Vocaloid system and will write more reports on what I find.

By any chance… Does any body know how to disable the main dictionary or to give priority to the user´s dictionary?

I want to do some non english research with vocaloid but need to get rid of the english dictionary, to create my own rules…
Any help ?
Mike

Jan 21 2008
04:41
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[quote="Giuseppe":11mq8igo]I’m sure that a person English-speaker can do that Prima sing perfectly in English.
I can give technical support and tricks to improve the expression of the voice.[/quote:11mq8igo]

Giuseppe, as I wrote, I don’t think it should matter that you are not a native English speaker.

Prima is supposed to be a native English speaker. If you type in the words correctly (and it seems that you know how to spell words in English), the resulting singing by Prima should pronounce the words correctly. Yet, in listening to the demos, it’s far from that.

If one has to do tons of tweaking to make Prima’s English pronunciation sound decent, then I would say she is not very good at pronouncing English. It should not have to be that difficult.

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