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The Things That Dreams Are Made Of
Mar 28 2004
18:38
robotarchie
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Looking through the user demo section of the forum, you can’t help but notice how many cover versions of songs get posted as opposed to wholly original songs. Nothing wrong with that in itself, but do you ever wonder by what criterion of selection some of these cover versions are actually made? I’m starting a new and hopefully lighter hearted topic here for opinions on what POPULAR OR WELL KNOWN songs MAY or may NOT be suitable fodder for that special vocaloid treatment. Feel free to have a laugh as well as being serious at the thought of certain classics being done in the distinctive vocaloid stylee and please give your reasons for your pick. I’ll kick off with the bitter sweet irony of Leon’s as yet unpenned version of “My Way” by Frank Sinatra…. are you smiling yet? We can do better than that, can’t we…..

Mar 28 2004
18:49
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“I met her in a bar down in old Soho…..”
L-O-L-A Lola, of course. The old Kinks song sounds like an ideal cover by Lola. But then given who the original Lola in the song was, maybe Leon???
Cheers
Chris

Mar 28 2004
18:56
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Ho Ho! What about Barry Manilow’s “Copa Cabana” – the whole cheesy style leading up till the line where he says “Her name was Lola, she was a showgirl”… :D

Mar 28 2004
19:44
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There’s nothing cheesy about Barry Manilow. He has a excellent voice and he’s an accomplished songwriter.

Well, we could do a tribute TellyTubbies song .. hang on, he was LaLa not Lola <img class=” />

When I first started playing around with Vocaloid’s vibrato, it became obvious to me that Vocaloid would perhaps best suit the style of good singers who could hold a note, rather than Pop and Rock singers whose style is on the whole quite different. I think Vocaloid was designed to sing well and not badly, even though Pop, which is singing badly, satisfies our rebellious anti-culture thirsts. It would be easy to argue that to get Vocaloid and use it for Pop songs, would be like getting your first intelligent robot to mow the lawn instead of recite the works of Shakespeare. My point is, what a wasted opportunity to create something good, instead of something truly cheesy.

My other point is copyright. How different is it to do a Vocaloid cover of a song whose lyrics and recording is still in copyright, to adding Vocaloid harmonies to a recording of a song (which, I am told is not allowed)? I have a perfect example of Vocaloid doing backing vocals on the Chic hit Good Times on an MP3. Now, I can’t post that anywhere because it infringes copyright. How is it that Vocaloid users can post covers of songs without infringing copyright? Have they sought permission? Have they paid royalty fees? Better check this one out!

Mar 29 2004
08:34
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Good grief… irony like steely. I do declare I can detect an undercurrent of musical snobbery here, Q. Who pis*ed on your cornflakes this morning – the “Lawnmower Man”? As far as copyright goes, I note that you’ve started a new thread on copyright issues elsewhere, thus proving that ideas are indeed free. I’ll join you there to engage on that discussion/windup. Meanwhile, back at the ranch – you didn’t say which of the Teletubbies tunes was your mostest favourite…… I note that you say elsewhere that you were thinking of covering a Kraftwerk track. Which one… and why?

Mar 29 2004
10:00
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Anyway, I think I’ve found the website of the real Lola. It’s at
http://www.loministries.com/Index.htm
Except she can’t spell her name properly.
Cheers
Chris

Mar 29 2004
10:24
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Mega! :D Who can resist having their life enriched using nothing more exotic than their ordinary everyday credit card details..? :roll: Keep up the good work! Same question, different tack – anyone got a strong opinion on a particular track that they will VIOLENTLY OBJECT to being covered by some cack-handed idiot with their wee skinny vocaloid and no respect? I would HATE to hear….. (this space reserved). Or what about stuff you’d just plain hate to hear “vocaloided”. I’ll start it of with: anything by George Formby. I’m a conscientous objector to him, by the way.

On the earlier disparaging comment from Q (“feigned surprise” emoticon goes here) on Pop Singers. It would appear that there are not only differences between virtual and real singers, but that some of the real singers are not considered “real” singers at all. This sort of comment I’ve grown to expect to come from down the turned up noses of the classical and jazz trained camps – and I simply don’t agree with it, even in their own “academic” terms. I recall the vocal tutor Tona De Brett’s comments a few years ago on who was her “favourite best pupil”. (NB ALMOST EVERY singer or wannabe performer across the board at one point who had a record deal HAD to go – under contract – to her school for voice couching lessons from Johnny Rotten to Annie Lennox to you name it). Anyway. my favourite female singer, Liz Fraser was Tona De Brett’s choice from thousands. Annie Lennox got a good mention and Paul Young got ripped to shreds by her. She’s a bit like old Biddy Baxter from Blue Peter days gone by – the Iron Hand in a Velvet Glove approach. Not one classical/operatic singer got the slightest look in. There’s more to singing than just “Red Leather Yellow Leather” you know. Sorry for the rant, but sometimes “academic” is just that; academic. It gets on my serious last hump. Pish and Tish! Nothing cheesy about Barry Manilow? Even my old mum sees the self-deprecating humour of the man every time he flashes his dental work.

Mar 29 2004
23:35
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Musical taste is kind of like taste in shirts. Some like black ones, some red, some like starched white ones. Differing tastes is what makes the world evolve. If we all liked exactly the same thing, there would be no need for anything new or no need for change.

Mar 30 2004
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8) Wise words, mate. I think the only Truly Universal Truth is that there inevitably comes a time for us all when we have to wear pink shirts. The moral of the story is never to wash our whites at the same time as the wife’s red knickers. <img class=” />

Mar 30 2004
13:52
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Haaaaaaaaa… Well at least it matches my pink undies. heh heh

Mar 31 2004
07:47
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Eric Clapton : “Lola, you got me on my knees…”
Shirley Temple : “On the good ship, Lola-pop….”

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