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Verdict - Version 2 vs Version 1? Suggestions for version 3?
Jul 18 2008
18:41
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I have been using Vocaloid (Lola) for since it first came out and despite it’s limitations it is the only software available that allows me to add vocals to the tracks that I record, as I don’t have access to a live vocalist. Although I couldn’t use tracks with Lola singing on them to send out to anyone commercially, it does allow me to hear what the songs would roughly sound like recorded with a singer, so I am very happy with what I can do with it.
When I heard that a Vocaloid version 2 was coming out I was really excited and had high hopes that the improvements would make the Vocaloid sound more acceptable to general listening. Like many others who were posting in these forums at that time I waited with anticipation for several months whilst the final problems in the software were ironed out until at last it was available. I got my copy of Prima immediately & started working with it.
After the first week I was starting to get rather disillusioned as I didn’t seem to be able to get Prima to even sound as good as Lola. I continued working on the sound but eventually I gave up & have now returned to using Lola. My opinion is that although the clarity of the sound was improved in Vocaloid 2 the pronunciation of words, which was sometimes difficult enough to achieve in Vocaloid 1, had actually got worse.
Although there was much discussion on these forums about the possibilities of Vocaloid 2 before it came out, I have seen very little since it came out about the results that other people have had. Despite my disappointment with Vocaloid 2 I am really hoping that there will be a Vocaloid 3, as I believe that the basic idea of synthesised vocals is a great one and will improve as time goes on (look at the progression of computer animations over the past few years). However, if there is to be a Vocaloid 3 it would be good if the developers knew what the enthusiasts think about Vocaloid 1 & 2, and what they would like to see improved in the next incarnations.
So how about some opinions, & a vote about whether Prima was better than version 1 for the users, or not. Sadly I have to say that for me it was not – but please, let’s have version 3!

Jul 19 2008
17:58
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Hi

I speak as Vocaloid user and I hope that you understand what I want to say, I lament listen what you say.

The people have asked too much to this software that still is developing. It’s good, this way the programmers will make it every time better, but we have to work with what we have now.

And what now we have is something that I had never imagined.

I’ve done big musical arrangements with Vocaloid 1, I continue working with V1, but Vocaloid 2 is much better, for better being it’s more difficult to use

Every voice has his place in the musical world, and they can adapt to other styles (I try it).

Prima is a voice much more elaborated than others and she needs more work. I have done songs in Spanish and with very good results.

The pronunciation is very good, also in Italian and Latin and it’s necessary to think that the programmers have not thought about the Hispanic users. I have to look for tricks in order that the program sings phonemes that it does not have. I believe that the pronunciation in English is very good but it’s necessary work, like at Spanish language.

I believe that you are asking for a use of the simplest software, I hope that Yamaha could read this to do a software easier to use.

I’ve been attacked by all the places, and I only have done music whit Vocaloid, and I’ll continue doing music, it is what more I like to do.

Please, continues working with Prima, your voice has made me cry in some occasions.

I’m sorry for my bad English again.

Regards

Jose

Jul 19 2008
19:36
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Hi Jose,
Firstly I have to say that I am not 100% clear what you are saying, only because you have the problem of answering in a English, which is clearly a foreign language to you (although your English is far better than my Italian!)
However, I have read numerous posts that you have put on these forums in the past & also heard many of the pieces of music that you have produced using Vocaloid 1 & 2. It is clear to me that you are really committed to the use & development of Vocaloid, and very skilled in getting the best from it. I have been really impressed with what you have been able to do with Vocaloid 2 in particular and I feel that you must be an accomplished musician and also have a keen understanding of how the software works.
Unfortunately, whilst I can get by OK on the musical side, I don’t have the time to develop my skills in understanding the software to enable me to find all ways to get the best out of Vocaloid. As a musician & songwriter that’s not something I want to spend lots of my time doing, I want to use my time being creative & have software at my fingertips that is relatively easy to get results from.
Having said that I do understand that Vocaloid is a truly innovative program & have on several occasions defended it in these forums against people who have dismissed it far to easily. I am not doing that, as I have spent many hours working on songs using Lola as vocalist, but I think my problem is that I was expecting Prima to sound better & also have advances that would make it easier to get realistic sounding vocals more quickly. Perhaps I should spend more tome working with Prima but having invested a lot of time in finding our how to get the best from Lola & I am reluctant now to start again spending lots of valuable time trying to understand how to get the best from Prima.
I also understand that Prima was a move in the direction of a more operatic/classical sound which unfortunately didn’t suit me, and I hope that the next version of Vocaloid will be a move back towards a more soulful style of singing.
Once again I would like to point out that I really am a Vocaloid enthusiast and I that hope that it will continue to be developed, and I feel that feedback from users like myself could help the development team move in the right direction for the people who believe in it & want to use it.
Keep up the good work Jose & please don’t feel you need to apologise for your English, or to shed any tears over what I say!
Warm regards,
Julian.

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