Forum

Please consider registering
guest

Log In

Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

The forums are currently locked and only available for read only access
VirSyn Cantor
Apr 5 2004
23:16
quetzalcoatl
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 173
Member Since:
Feb 26 2004
Offline

Bloody hell! Is this a Vocaloid rip-off or what? Click on the images to see the Vocaloidesque Cantor.

http://www.virsyn.de/en/E_Home/E_CANTOR … eview.html

And it boasts real-time rendering too…..

Apr 5 2004
23:35
vince66
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
Feb 26 2004
Offline

I don’t mind just as long as did doesn’t sounds better and isn’t easier to use or cheaper! :twisted:

Apr 5 2004
23:38
willymac
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 7
Member Since:
Feb 27 2004
Offline

ah..ah..aaah..RIPOFF! (bless you.) <img class=” />

The specs remind me of a certain virtual singing software I bought earlier this year before Vocaloid. The intelligibility is piss poor, (there are such things as consonants you know). I don’t think we’re anywhere near a stage where vocals can be synthesized (let alone sampled).

The marketing guru’s strike again. 8O

Apr 5 2004
23:39
quetzalcoatl
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 173
Member Since:
Feb 26 2004
Offline

I can’t believe how similar Cantor looks to Vocaloid.

I’ve found a review of Cantor, this is translated from French by Google:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u … uage_tools

Apr 6 2004
01:02
roba
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 25
Member Since:
Mar 21 2004
Offline

Looks like the VirSyn is strictly synth, like Myriad Virtual Singer (Is that the one willmac tried and didn’t like? I tried it and liked it.) There’s a market for that kind of thing, if inexpensive. Good for getting the feel of where syllables fall with respect to the melody, for amateur songwriters. Not for studio use.

Apr 6 2004
03:05
pow_backslash
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 32
Member Since:
Mar 14 2004
Offline

Sounds like TextAssist with an interface. I for one look forward to trying out.

Apr 6 2004
07:55
andromeda
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 188
Member Since:
Feb 27 2004
Offline

I agree with the comments above. It’s not sampled voice, purely synthesised. Any demos?
Cheers
Chris

Apr 6 2004
09:22
quetzalcoatl
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 173
Member Since:
Feb 26 2004
Offline

It says Cantor doesn’t use samples, well Vocaloid doesn’t use samples either in the sense of being a sample-player, it uses vocal fonts made from smapled voices, there is a big difference. And Cantor also uses a vocal synthesis engine .. Vocaloid also uses a vocal synthesis engine! We will have to wait and see what this one is about. I still can’t get over how similar the interface is to Vocaloid. I wonder if it also uses the Yamaha engine.

Apr 6 2004
13:26
robotarchie
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 223
Member Since:
Feb 27 2004
Offline

I think of vocaloid as an “assisted ROMpler”, and I disagree – it is clearly very heavily sample based/reliant. Perhaps Virsyn have licenced the synth engine from Yamaha and have built upon it or they’re simply targeting us (the vocaloid users) with a familiar “me too” interface? More likely, it is actually a wholly synthetic generator. I’m quite familiar with Cube and Tera from Virsyn. I have thought that it wouldn’t take too much of a push to greatly expand the repertoire of their previous formant based “voicey” sound generators -their formanTERA engine for example can produce some spookily realistic vocal type sounds. If Cantor is not sample based, then it’s most likely to be one of their special “combination technology” generators where up to five engines are available e.g part additive, part modelled, part re-synthesis, etc. That would allow for realtime generation. One thing’s for sure, Virsyn always make very high quality synths so it’ll be good, no question. Clever bastards, Virsyn.

Apr 6 2004
18:11
pow_backslash
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 32
Member Since:
Mar 14 2004
Offline

I just viewed the demo movie at….

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews … wsid=1464#

And looks, to me, like there is very little that is like Vocaloid. The piano roll interface…sorta. The versatility of this sucka is fantastic. Vocaloid may have a “nicer” sounding voice but it’s lacks versatility. Its sorta like its in a straigt jacket.

If these people ever add samples to this thing Vocaloid is yesterday!

Apr 6 2004
19:30
robotarchie
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 223
Member Since:
Feb 27 2004
Offline

Phew! Just got back from the demo (many thanks Pow). Cantor appears to be exactly as I imagined. I’m going to finish off the vocaloid track I’m working on, tidy up the two little demos that are nearly there, then that should see with Cantor in May.

Apr 6 2004
22:01
quetzalcoatl
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 173
Member Since:
Feb 26 2004
Offline

Cool video Pow_Backslash! And bravo again to the wonderful German vorsprung durch technik. The Virsyn guy’s English was not perfect but you’ve got to tip your hat to him for trying.

Well, look, I think the real winners are we, the users. The more the merrier I say. Bring ’em all on. I think they will all sell well and become hits in thier own unique way you know. I don’t think anybody’s in competition here with vocal synths. At the rate software synths are released these days, it’s more like a happy Top 40 of synths thing that’s happening now. Interesting release after interesting release, it’s great. And eventually one of them will be quite realistic, and good enough to replace singers. It’s already happened with other synths, so no reason to even consider that realistic vocals is not a foreseeable reality. It IS.

Now, to Cantor’s real bottom-line advantage .. it has to be the [b:27pjoasw]real-time playback [/b:27pjoasw]Wink. Vocaloid really does fall down with the rendering waiting time. The other thing Cantor appeals with, is its synthesizer approach. All the time with Cantor, you’re being told it’s a synth, and that you have to trigger it using a midi keyboard (or an alternative like Trollo I hope). All the other fancy things it does revolves around synthesis. Vocaloid is not really sold as a synth. It’s really on its own, relying totally on the vocal fonts and our ability to tweak the voice to make it sound realistic. I think Cantor will be an instant hit with musicians, especially those who use synths, because it’s coming from where they’re coming from. Vocaloid is coming from “Listen to how good these voices can be” (i.e. the vocal fonts), with secondary regard given to the software synth itself. This is already plainly obvious. I think things could be very different if a software company ever marketed Vocaloid rather than a sample company. Kudos to them all, and no disrespect to Zero-G whatsoever, they have an excellent worldwide reputation in the samples game, but the hard fact is they ain’t a software company, and will never be able to do Vocaloid the software justice it needs. Sell it to Native Instruments.

Jun 4 2004
19:06
alphasun
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 3
Member Since:
Jun 4 2004
Offline

I watched the VirSyn video. I was favourably impressed, espcially considering the environment the demo was deliverd in. What struck me was the clearer consonants and the relative naturalness of the sustained vowels. In Vocaloid Miriam it’s surprising how unnatural these can be at times considering it’s sampled.
Possibly really well-designed pure synthesis like Cantor, with things like the breath noise parameter, will get closer to the required result — a reasonably realistic voice– quicker than Vocaloid. The greater speed looks useful too.
I am in the fortunate position of not having bought either!

Jun 5 2004
07:22
pow_backslash
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 32
Member Since:
Mar 14 2004
Offline

In my opinion Vocaloid’s greatest weakness is in the vowels. It’s too bad that there isn’t a way I could post some the things I did using TextAssist. In that context I had total control over the length of every part of the word. So almost every word was clear and understandable. Almost! There were places where the software just couldn’t handle the job and my manipulations couldn’t take up the slack. But overall I think that it was for the most part clearer and more understandable. And I think that the vowels were the reason this was so. The fact that the option is there but disabled makes me hope that somewhere down the road Yamaha will see the light and address this issue.

Jun 7 2004
00:09
quetzalcoatl
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 173
Member Since:
Feb 26 2004
Offline

All will be well when Yamaha release an English version of Vocaloid <img class=” />

The version we have right now is only good for Japanese vocals!

Jun 7 2004
08:20
robotarchie
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 223
Member Since:
Feb 27 2004
Offline

[quote="QUETZALCOATL":3ef63yhs]All will be well when Yamaha release an English version of Vocaloid <img class=” />

The version we have right now is only good for Japanese vocals![/quote:3ef63yhs]

Do they have a website?

Jun 8 2004
00:19
aurora
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 7
Member Since:
Mar 17 2004
Offline

I’m really warming to this Cantor, watched the vid as well and it sounds interesting. I’m also in the position as someone else said of not having purchased Vocaloid yet and have a decent choice to ponder over. Actually, the synth angle seems more logical and attainable at this time with regards this technology. It doesn’t pretend to be something more than it is <img class=” />

hmmm, might get my money over Vocaloid in the end…

Cheers
Dave

Forum Timezone: UTC 0

Most Users Ever Online: 108

Currently Online:
2 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

gray: 304

robotarchie: 223

andromeda: 188

quetzalcoatl: 173

Giuseppe: 167

Luka Mitutoyo: 147

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1

Members: 7988

Moderators: 0

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 5

Forums: 27

Topics: 764

Posts: 3555

Newest Members: kprem, yang7764, lisajim, gameace, Sunnydoot, Anildoot

Administrators: administrator: 268