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Vocaloid 3 Wish List. What features would you add? Or change
Feb 8 2011
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Hi Everyone
Vocaloid 3. What features would you add or change over Vocaloid 1 and Vocaloid 2, if Yamaha and Zero G and other Vocaloid creators asked for your design and user input?

1. On a DVD, so built in user dictionary could be much larger.

2. Multiple Undoes

3. Audio Sounds when drawing in notes or moving them.

4. Live Midi Input.

5. A transpose entire track or tracks button options.

6. Instead of styles being just normal, accent, legato, etc, have the singing styles be setup with a combination of expressions and control track presets. P reprogrammed for Rock Country, Blues, Jazz, Opera, etc.

7. Before and after flash video tutorials. Here is how this lyric line or word sounded before editing. Here is how it sounds after editing.

8. A printed manual should have an index in it.

9. Expression Icons that combine control track edits. Screaming Loud Metal Vocals, Blues Bends, Country Twang, Relaxing Ballads,

10. The ability to import and export user dictionaries from others.

11. Add a couple of more markers so one can have start , end, start loop, end loop, and even a couple of bookmark markers.

12. A special Yamaha monophonic Vocaloid Keyboard with mini keys that could fit in the Vocaloid Box. It should have a USB Midi Out Built In. A transpose button that would let you use all of midis 11 octaves. The keyboard could also have voice range buttons. Bass, Baritone, Alto, Tenor, Soprano, and Messo . A mini joystick and a mini mod wheel. One could do vocal bends with the joystick and vibratos with the mod wheel. Or maybe even assign any kind of control track to the joystick and mod wheels.

Something like the above could sell like pancakes to schools, music educators, Vocaloid fans, home composers, kids, music and PC stores, Amazon. Songwriters. etc.

Happy Vocaloid Singing
Timothy Kelly
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Feb 8 2011
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I’ll post some stuff I got from the official ZG/PFX request thread from [url:2clwaqbp]http://vocaloidotaku.net/[/url:2clwaqbp].

-support screaming.
-I’d also like sounds like clicks and I would kill for a glottal ‘t’ sound… Because that’s DEFFINITELY one of the things that make them sound too robotic is that they pronounce things too correctly, when what we hear in songs, what is said usually with a glottal t, and the VOCALOIDs put a very pronounced ‘t’ there. I usually replace it with the ‘d’ phoneme.
-I’d like an option for falsetto/head voice
-Rap mode would be AWESOME. They’ve made VOCALOID Flex, but I want something that can rap to a beat rather than talk.
-MAC version, even though MikuInstaller works just fine~
-Backwards compatibility with older VOCALOIDs
-Tear1 and Tear2 pronunciation. English VOCALOIDs have a certain problem.
"The wind blew from the south"
"You wind me up sometimes"

"yes, I read the report"
"I read books for fun"

"the faberic on this dress has a tear in it"
"I shed a tear for my fallen friend"

It’s easy to fix with phonemes, but still. 8P

Feb 8 2011
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Hi Everyone,
And I forgot to list, should be able to cut and paste anywhere on the grid, including what pitch you want the paste to start on.

Add a nudge for when you just want to nudge a note left or right a little bit.

And I forget about all the VST Plug In stuff, since the Vocalist Plug Ins, do not work with almost every piece of music software ever made or made now. Not much point to a plug in that despite the box and web ads, does not plug in to anything.

Instead just add to the Vocaloid Editor the ability to playback one wav track. That way you could hear your backing wav track, while you were working on your vocaloid parts.

And why not a bunch of singer parameter adjustment presets, so one does not have to just adjust the various parameters by trail and error.

Then give them names for what that combination or parameter adjustments does. Vocaloid 2 from the editor screenshots starts to do this with its set of parameter adjustment sliders.

Happy Vocaloid Singing
Timothy Kelly
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Jun 18 2011
16:41
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1. 24 bit.

2. Available on all patforms

3. User creation tool to form unique voice model

4. The editor to work within the VST sequencer

I really hope yamaha continues to support and develop this because It has so much potential.

Jun 18 2011
17:09
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Hi Everyone,
Vocaloid 3 looking good so far. With adding stuff like importing Vocaloid 2’s and Vocal Listener.

I just got an iPad Touch yesterday, so how about a Vocaloid iPod and iPhone app.

Band in the Box has a mini iPhone or iPod Touch app. It lets you create a song on your iPad or iPhone. Then you play it back via your full version of Band in the Box on your computer. So you need both the full retail version and then the app also.

Maybe Vocaloid could do the same thing. The app just piggybacks on your full retail version.

Happy Vocaloid Singing and Composing
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Jun 19 2011
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You can actually get VOCALOID on your iPad/iPhone.

iVOCALOID is a available for download on the Japanese App store. It is only in Japanese however and only uses VOCALOID VY1.
There are some limited capabilities, but it’s only ¥1,800 for the iPad and ¥350 for the iPhone! ($22 and $4)

Jun 20 2011
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Could I use it without knowing Japanese? Export to pc as wave ?
Haven’t searched music apps yet. Band in the box is only iPhone music app I have so far except for some music games.
Thanks
Happy Vocaloid Composing And Recording

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Aug 27 2011
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What would be cool is if they came up with famous musician voices like Axl Rose or Steven Tyler or Elton John. I think it would break the market open if they could market a vocaloid that is a copy of a real singer (I’ve heard Miriam is a copy of another singer, but I’ve never heard of her, so I don’t count it)

Just think….if they came out with a Kurt Cobain voice. How eerie would it be to hear a new song sung by Kurt Cobain?

Aug 27 2011
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Hi Everyone
Miriam a very well known singer of all kinds of film, tv, and recording projects. Just look her up. She can sing rings around any living or dead rock singer. Look her up on google or you tube.
No one could afford to buy Vocaloid 3 my guess if developers had to shell out millions in royalties for using living or dead superstars voices.
Happy Vocaloid Singing
Teach Yourself Singing

Aug 28 2011
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[quote="TeachYourselfSinging":2lh5b3tp]Hi Everyone
Miriam a very well known singer of all kinds of film, tv, and recording projects. Just look her up. She can sing rings around any living or dead rock singer. Look her up on google or you tube.
No one could afford to buy Vocaloid 3 my guess if developers had to shell out millions in royalties for using living or dead superstars voices.
Happy Vocaloid Singing
Teach Yourself Singing[/quote:2lh5b3tp]

I’m saying this could be something they could do if the Vocaloid program took off and became as popular as say……..Pro Tools or any of those other DAW programs. I realize that Vocaloid is mostly popular in Japan and almost unheard of in North America. I have a friend who has been into small time recording since the late 80s and I told him about Vocaloid and he didn’t have a clue what I was talking about. In fact, I’d just discovered it and was hoping he had a little insight into it. But he was no help to me. So I had scoured the internet trying to find something about it. And……when I ordered it at the music store….they had to go out of their way to find it for me. Luckily I’m a preferred customer there or they never would have bothered to order it in. So I realize it would get expensive if they had to shell out millions to pay for the rights to someone’s voice sound. I still think it would be cool to be able to go out and buy a Steven Tyler vocaloid or a Rob Halford vocaloid or something like that.

As far as Miriam goes……I’m sure she can sing rings around some of the people I’ve mentioned. But…..I’m not into the operatic sounding voices. I’m a fan of hard rock or heavy metal and none of the voices really cover that genre. I’m using Sonika because she has that sweet toned voice like the lead singer of the band Sirenia. It’s seems to work for them…so I thought maybe I could do something with it. Right now I’m working on the song I Hate Myself For Loving You by Joan Jett. I had to deepen her voice a little bit to get the sound I wanted, but it’s not bad. It won’t compare with Giuseppe’s Ring My Bell, but for a newbie, it’s not bad….I think.

Aug 28 2011
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By the way…..what is Miriam’s full name? I’m just curious, I’d like to look her up.

Nov 27 2011
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I found Vocaloid 2 a disappoointment. I was hoping it would be much more user-friendly than Voc 1.

But I found the opposite. My favorite to work with is still Miriam, Voc 1. I bought Sonika, and tried a friend's

Prima, and found it harder to get a decent result than wtih Miriam. (I have heard some great demos of Voc 2,

so I am not saying it is impossible to get good results with Voc 2, only more difficult, for me at least. I have

written in more detail about this before.

Therefore, I hope that Vocaloid 3 is more user-friendly than both 1 and 2. Especially regarding importing a

MIDI file with lyrics into it.

Thank you.

Dec 13 2011
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version 3.6 can and does allow nearly all the above listed ideals in one tidy package  as well as voice analyzer AKA insert any commercially recorded cd of your favorite singer and it will make an exact copy of that artists voice allowing you to create your own songs as sung by that artist

please note that ability is not a license to rip off that artist by releasing those new songs it is a toy meant for personal use we will not be held liable for any legal actions by the original artist should anyone  attempt to sell a song made using this advanced capability

~Ruka

as of 11/30/2011 vocaloid version 3.7a, which is a beta release for testing and debug will be released in place of ver 3.6 to address stability issues when run on older non Intel I7 based systems and or mac based pc will be available to a limited number of testers if you wish to be a tester please contact us here or by email/pm there are 500 testing seats open  for non commercial testing only if you are a Representative of or are employed by a related company in this same field of development please do not attempt to obtain this test package

Dec 13 2011
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i realize that a few of our contacts do work for crypton zero G etc as outside contractors those are exempted from the above stated rules regarding eligibility as a tester

 

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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Virtual-Diva-SAG-Data-Systems

Dec 16 2011
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Interesting that vocaloid is at version 3 in Japan while we are still on v2 in the english speaking world. This feature to create voices from a CD of my fav singer is an absolout must-have!

Dec 19 2011
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Dictionary Suggestions:

I think it would be nice if one could have the option, that when one corrects the phonemes of a word, that that automatically puts the corrected word in the user dictionary, rather than having to do that separately, manually.

Also, as others have said, the ability to import and export the user dictionaries. Think of what we could do with such a feature on a forum like this, if we shared our user dictionaries, and were able to add them together? Coming up with a larger collective dictionary for each language could be very helpful. In fact, being freely shared and downloadable, the companies creating Vocaloids could also use these shared user dictionaries to add to their own. 

Also, as Zero-G is located in Great Britain, it seems to me that the default pronunciation of the English Vocaloids is British English (although with a Japanese accent 😉 ). However, there are probably more users in the USA than in the UK.  Could there be an option to choose either the UK or USA dictionaries, and have both come with the English vocaloid products? (I know there are far more variants of English pronunciation than those two, even within the USA or UK many variant accents, and other countries as well–India, etc. However, it would not be feasible to have 50 different English dictionaries. But I think that two–standard British English, and standard American English, should be feasible. (If you look for instance, at the spell-check dictionaries with any word processor, there are separate dictionaries for US and British English, as some words are even spelled differently.)

Dec 19 2011
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Maiki, I totally agree with your dictionary suggestions.

Dec 19 2011
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Hi everyone

 

Maiki's idea is perfect, but is a bit complicated. The pronunciation is very different from one country to another, e.g. the pronunciation of “t”, words like “matter” “little” “water” etc.
Is very complicated to use a dictionary to correct the sound of these words.

Matter ( m { t @r ) I change the phoneme “t” for “r d” with good results, but not always is correct, depends on the duration of the notes and the speed of the song.

But it is possible to make a dictionary “global” with many changes to improve many words and share, I've created an Spanish dictionary for use with English voices, is not complete because the Spanish language is complicated, with many diphthongs, if anyone is interested I can share without problems.

Responding to a question from Maiki.

Vocaloid 3 is exactly like Vocaloid 2, the mode of working is the same, the prounciación of the voices is identical, phonetic, vibratos, expression …everything is the same but with a better engine.

 

Best

Dec 19 2011
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I believe that her full name is Miriam Stockley.

Still my favorite Vocaloid voice so far. I hope she is ported to Vocaloid 3.

 

 

 

teachyourselfsinging said:

Hi Everyone
Miriam a very well known singer of all kinds of film, tv, and recording projects. Just look her up. She can sing rings around any living or dead rock singer. Look her up on google or you tube.
No one could afford to buy Vocaloid 3 my guess if developers had to shell out millions in royalties for using living or dead superstars voices.
Happy Vocaloid Singing
Teach Yourself Singing

Dec 19 2011
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Another suggestion for Vocaloid 3–improve the importation of midi files with lyrics.

 

That is the main way I start a Vocaloid song, as I have already many songs created with Cakewalk and Sonar with lyrics.

 

First I prepare them in Sonar to be well-imported into Vocaloid. I cut out all other tracks besides the one I want, which has lyrics. I quantize both note starting times and durations, so that there are no overlapping notes. And–I remove all punctuation from the lyrics, as I found out before that that totally messes up Vocaloid's phoneme transformation. Then I save that as a Type I MIDI file.

I import it into Vocaloid (both I and II), and it seems to import correctly. All the lyrics are lined up correctly with the notes, etc., and even the tempo is the same as I set it in Sonar.

Then I do the phoneme transformation, and that is where it does not work so well. Some of the words are translated into phonemes correctly, but many are not, including words that are included in the Vocaloid dictionary. (I know that because if I type the word directly into Vocaloid, it translates correctly into phonemes.) So why do many words that are in the Vocaloid dictionary, that translate correctly into phonemes when typed into Vocaloid, not translate correctly into phonemes (most keeping the default “oo” sound) when imported from a MIDI file with lyrics? (I will point out that all the words in the lyrics are spelled correctly, and as I wrote, all punctuation has been removed before importation.)

 

I would appreciateit if this function (importing MIDI files with lyrics) was improved in Vocaloid 3. Thank you.

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