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vocaloid not ready for fast job
Jun 22 2004
10:20
mike022
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As professional arranger,,i have to work fast sometime and Vocaloid don’t help me so much

1- can’t enter note directly in Cubase when using as a VST

2- no presets that could help to get the basic parameters to make the voice more natural at the very start

3- time consuming and not enough natural..

But i believe that Vocaloid will become a great tool for professional that , like me , don’t have time to lose and then prefer to pay real vocalist to save time…

cause time is money and vocaloid, spend to much time

Maybe i’m wrong,,i’d like to ,,,il someone can show me a fast way to work with vocaloid i’ll appreciate very much..cause i’d like to use it sometimes,,,but discourage me…

(sorry for my english not so good)

Jun 22 2004
10:49
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Look at the posts from Alexei Ustinov and the demos from him (Jasmine Music Technology). They are working on a way to make Vocaloid easier and quicker to use. Nice to meet you, by the way.
Chris

Jun 22 2004
11:32
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Yepp, the YV Enhancer that Alexei is working on will speed up the work flow a great bit. But I guess you still have to do a lot of manual fine tuning tweaking to make a good, song adapted, dynamic performance. The most negative thing with the vocaloid so far, is that it is a bit hard to hear/understand the lyrics. When/if this is solved/improved/enhanced it will be a great tool to work with. :)

I hope that the VocController VSTi from Tazman might make it possible to
enter notes from kind of “within Cubase” in some way?

Cheers
Bob
:roll:

Jun 22 2004
11:37
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I think the VocController VSTi plugin which converts standard midi data to vocaloid VSTi parameters could be very useful if you want to get quick results. You can load/save vocaloid midi files and play the words from your keyboard or from a midi track in Cubase.

Still in development but I am hoping that sometime this week there is going to be a demo available for download.

You can read more about it here: [url:3r2j486d]http://www.tazman-audio.co.uk[/url:3r2j486d]

Tazman

Jun 22 2004
11:45
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*LOL* Got my answer very quickly. :)

Looking forward to your VSTi, Tazman. :)

Jun 22 2004
13:43
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that’s the point…Vocaloid is not ready for tough job i guess..

I’ve wrote to Yamaha to tell how much a product like that is needed.
But i’ve also mentioned that VST(i) and Pre-made Vocal Presets could be done to get in faster..

Also, I know it’s not easy to do, but live keyboard entries should be implement…

VocController seems not bad, but i believe that job should be allready integrated in Vocaloid..It looks like patchwork to me…

dont have to buy two program to do what only one is supposed to do..

thx every body..i’ll be watching for new features in Vocaloid…

Jun 22 2004
16:15
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Have you had a look at a program called Cantor by Virsyn? It’s perhaps not too natural sounding, but it is realtime (can be played from a keyboard like a synth). There’s a link somewhere on the Home page news item if you want to check out an early demo.

Jun 22 2004
20:31
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Thx to robotarchie for suggestion…

i’ll check it out….

:)

Jun 23 2004
12:14
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Vocaloid is now different than any other computer sofrware on the having to buy 2 or more programs thing. If all you have is a midi sequencer you can make music, but if you get other programs, you can make mp3’s, better soundfonts, sequence faster, easier, add effects, etc etc etc. Very few software programs can’t be made better if you want to spend the bucks. The Jasmine or Tazmans. Voccoder program may well be worth the investment if you work professionally in music. There are many tricks you can use to speed vocaloid up. The new upgrade makes it much faster also. The vocal range has improved somewhat. There are still a few problems that still need to be adressed as yet but speed isn’t one of the priorities I would put on my list. More realistic sounds would have to be #1 on my list, and I think most people using this forum would agree with that.

Jun 23 2004
14:02
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Well, i heard some Cantor demos and i have to say that is enough good for making interresting vocal effect..

all controlled by midi keyb, very flexible..

Vocaloid should be a good thing to by for those who have times to spend with tricky tweaks..

I wrote to Zero-G and they tell that there were no plans for the moment to implement midi keyb trigger…

What I think, is they choose the bad technology (even if it sound good) to do a software like that…

Look to Naturally speaker voice engine,,this is much better,,,there is only few steps to adapt it into a music software,,don’t you believe..

But i’m still watching every news about Vocaloid, just to make sure that i will not pass through without seeing things…

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