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Whos the butthead rating 1 and 2 on all demos??
Mar 19 2004
04:26
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Whoever it is must have never tried to get vocaloid to pronounce words in time with a track. I havent seen a file here that deserves a 1 for a rating. I really dont care if the dude likes my songs or not cuz he/she is obviously an idiot. I do music for my own enjoyment but I dont mind sharing with others. RATE ON QUALITY OF SOUNDS AND VOCALS!! Not on your musical preference. This site isn’t for 1 genre of music, it is for all. *&^*(&%*^()*)%^#@$@$*&(_)

Mar 19 2004
08:44
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I say, ol’ bean, right on.

Mar 19 2004
11:50
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I think gray has raised an important point!

[b:3kf7f7tm]The voting system for downloads is flawed.[/b:3kf7f7tm] It creates un-fair advantages for other songs. For instance, I didn’t realise it myself, but I found myself only downloading the most voted-for songs and dismissing the others. I don’t think the voting system is helpful at all, actually it’s detrimental. And in any case, what does it matter if one song has more votes than another, what is this competition for? At this stage we are only learning the software, and people who are only getting to grips with some of the features will want to upload for feedback, they shouldn’t have a voting system imposed on them, where the chances of having thier work heard might be reduced, not because they don’t any musical talent, but because they don’t yet have a good finished song :!:. Comments ar ealways useful, but [i:3kf7f7tm]his song is better than the other guy’s[/i:3kf7f7tm] is all wrong at this stage.

NOR, should the amount of downloads a song gets be any indication of good or bad or popular! How can this be an accurate reflection of good or bad or popular?

Please remove this sense of [u:3kf7f7tm]false [/u:3kf7f7tm]popularity and success.

Mar 19 2004
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Agreed. I have acces to a dozen or so computers with which I could manipulate the ratings myself. But I have more self esteem than that. Not enough participation in the ratings to give a true value to the ratings system. And buttheads rating a perfectly good file at 1 ruins it for all and mostly just pisses off the dude that put 4 or 5 hours into a sequence and vocal file.

Mar 19 2004
14:01
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PS Most of my cover tracks are at midistudio.com where I am a guest artist. I’m thinking they wouldnt be there if they were deserving of a 1 rating. That site gets over a million visitors per year.

Mar 19 2004
14:18
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I am fully aware of the problem, currently the downloads are listed in order of how many times they have been downloaded….. I have changed it so that they are listed with the most recent at the top…..

I think comments are helpful to both the author of the file and the person downloading it, so I would like to keep them (and see more people actually commenting). Rating isnt helpful at all without comments to explain why, and if people want to rate it, they can include that in their comment.

Dont have the time right now, but seeing as you all agree, I will look into removing or disabling the rating function.

Mar 19 2004
14:39
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I agree too. I don’t see the point of “rating” the songs. This isn’t Eurovision. What purpose does it serve? A comment is enough. People want constructive criticism so that they can improve their sequences. It is soul destroying if you have spent a week on a song and someone gives it 1. The ratings may be why many don’t bother to contribute.
Cheers
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Mar 19 2004
15:50
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Yep, I’m sure it was done with good intentions by Zero-G. But I wonder if this kind of feedback is going to be more useful to Zero-G than to us users. I think the former. In which case, set it up so only you guys can see how many downloads etc. To see Happy Birthday at No.1 because it has been downloaded 883 times is really meaningless (with respect to the author), it pits one file against all others in [i:3rqto0y4]better than[/i:3rqto0y4] or [i:3rqto0y4]more popular than [/i:3rqto0y4]ways etc., and to users at this stage it can do more harm than good .. we need to be encouraged not discouraged.

Thanks for listening Zero-G :D

Mar 19 2004
21:46
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No one gives a s.h.i.t whether your song has 1 point or 100.
It means nothing !
You’ve missed the point of why we’re listening to these midis.
We’re just hoping that someone can figure out how to make Vocaloid sound as good as the marketing hype demos – ‘Kimi No Uwasa’ for example.
Not a single uploaded midi comes anywhere close to it.
They’re all crap, including mine. This is no reflection on the midi’s author, but on Vocaloid itself.

Mar 19 2004
23:34
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[quote="QUETZALCOATL":1p366jo3]Yep, I’m sure it was done with good intentions by Zero-G. But I wonder if this kind of feedback is going to be more useful to Zero-G than to us users …….. Thanks for listening Zero-G :D[/quote:1p366jo3]

Nah, sorry Zero-G has no input into how this site is made or is organised, like I have said before I intend to keep it that way. I am a control freak… hahahahaha (evil laugh). :twisted: My precioussssss!!

Happy birthday was simply the first midi file to be uploaded, so it managed to stay on top of the list…. nothing more sinister than that I am afraid. (not at the top anymore)

Ratings/votes aside (as I already mentioned that), I personally like seeing how many times a file has been downloaded, and I dont think it pits files against each other. Surely people are sensible enough to know that files that have been here longer will have more hits? and even if they havent been downloaded much it doesnt imply any disrespect to the author.

:arrow: big respect and thanks to everyone who has uploaded stuff

Mar 20 2004
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Yeah. I like to see how many is downloaded too. And Jimbo? Have you downloaded the midi tracks to I will always love you? I think the vocals on it came out quite well. The mp3 isnt as good becuz I’m just learning to make mp3 files. We need more midi vocaloid files. And as I asked before, Why cant we get midi demos of the pro tracks by yamaha and zeroG? They would help us all immensely in learning the ins and outs of vocaloid.

Mar 20 2004
08:43
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Agreed. I would love to see the Vocaloid Midi file for the demo “Lola is Here”. I thought that the voice on that one sounded very natural. Particularly the pitch bend.
Chris

Mar 20 2004
09:46
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If the number of times a file has been downloaded is going to influence subsequent downloads, it is doing us all an injustice.

Thanks for listening Administrator.

Mar 20 2004
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[quote="gray"]And Jimbo? Have you downloaded the midi tracks to I will always love you? I think the vocals on it came out quite well. The mp3 isnt as good becuz I’m just learning to make mp3 files.

Yes, I did download it. Your MP3 encoding is fine.

Mar 20 2004
16:27
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Thanks Jimbo. Leon seems to do his best vocals as a female singer. I wish I could get him to sound half as good as a male. Can anyone tell me how LOLA sounds as a male?? Just wondering if they got the 2 singers sexes reversed.

Mar 20 2004
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[quote="gray":bp7ywb3i] Whos the butthead rating 1 and 2 on all demos??[/quote:bp7ywb3i]

Don’t be too quick to judge all….quite yet,but I suspect that you think you deserve a ‘higher score’…yes?
As a fully paid up member of Vocaloid,as you are,I fully expected top notch user demos.Yet instead of the quality Zero-G mastered examples ….I feel insulted.
When Reason (propellerhead) first came out,us users sounded totally amateurish…now we can get away with it it.

This isn’t to say that I think your efforts are totally worthless.But you need to learn a few tricks

Mar 21 2004
03:12
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What’s you point? <img class=” />

Mar 21 2004
15:14
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[quote="EggNogging":38i7y4nn][quote="gray":38i7y4nn] Whos the butthead rating 1 and 2 on all demos??[/quote:38i7y4nn][/quote:38i7y4nn]

Don’t be too quick to judge all….quite yet,but I suspect that you think you deserve a ‘higher score’…yes?
Higher than a 1?? Hell yes. I agree with Jimbo that I dont give a damn about ratings, but a 1??? And my songs aren’t the only ones getting a 1 or 2 ratings. It is pretty discouraging to the user to spend hours or days on a file and get a 1 rating. I do this because of my love for music and my aim is to please my own ears. While I haven’t got there yet, I’m getting closer and actually have 2 files I am 100 percent satisfied with. Just fixing to upload 1 of them now. The other is already here. I myself have rated all the songs here in mp3 demos and I see nothing deserving a 1 rating. If we ever get more than word files in the midi section I will also rate them. My point is all users here need to start rating songs if the rating system is to be used. Until 2 days ago there was only 1 person controlling the ratings. So apparently this forum has done a little good anyways. Give me all the 1 ratings you like. I know good music from bad and I dont get discouraged.. But I can also speak for other members when I say the person giving 1 and 2 ratings is a BUTTHEAD.

Mar 22 2004
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As a new user I’m so interested in the whole Vocaloid thing that I just listen to all the stuff. It does however seem that a rating thing will appear to be more and more flawed as any indicator of some sort of “quality”. On the NI Reaktor User Forum site for example, there are literally thousands of “home made” instruments and some wonderful gems are often pushed to the back in both time and “popularity” as they may have been made a long time ago and may not appeal as possible instruments to the large numbers of “dance music” fans.

Mar 24 2004
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At the risk of being labled a stodgy old fart, I have to say there’s a whole lotta doggin’ it going on! If you can’t understand the words being sung what good are they? (the words, Lola, Leon you pick) I’ve upped a couple of efforts and gotten a couple of comments and felt I should make an effort to grade the other tunes in the user demo catagory. I couldn’t understand Jack! Only Riders on the Storm was intelligible to me. (note I said to me). We have to find a way to grade for something other than the mix. Like it or not, this is a voice synthesis forum, Vocaloid is just the software package.
If you want better proof of what I’m saying record one of these tunes to tape or CD and play it for someone who doesn’t already know the words. I think you’ll be surprised.
I’ve been playing with these “squawkers” for ’bout 25 years and I learned early that other people expect to understand what they hear.
Knowing what is being sung traps us into thinking the words are clearer than they really are!
Remember, no pain, no gain.

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