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Miriam demos available
May 28 2004
15:20
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Miriam can now be heard on the Zero-G site. :?

May 28 2004
15:30
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Yes, and I hate to be a wet blanket but I must say they sound rather disappointing. Still the same slightly robotic sound. I would have thought the experts could have done something better. The voice is indeed very different from Lola, and as such interesting. But with the £250 price tag, what I’ve heard so far does not tempt me to buy. <img class=” />

May 28 2004
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I’m trying to overcome my disappointment and convince myself that Miriam is a sufficient improvement over Lola to make it worth buying. I’d like to think that the demos are at fault in throwing in too many affects that just make a brilliant singing voice go out of tune. And the word “me” in Scarborough Fair is enough to put anybody off.

May 29 2004
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Yes, not much improvement over Lola imo…but I’ve only heard demos and never purchased the previous Vocaloid software. Was very keen on buying Miriam and it’s difficult going by those demos what I can expect to get out of it. Her style of voice is certainly there in some parts though. Having listened to most of her real stuff I guess it becomes easier to pick up on that

All I’m interested in really is phonetics, that’s what I had planned on getting it for, singing in phonemes to compliment my orchestral pieces, ala Adiemus, but with my own style of course….hmm, it’s a tough call :?

Cheers
Dave

May 30 2004
01:03
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I’m somewhat dissapointed too, I know that
demos are not necessarily fully representative
of what a product can do but I was hoping for
something similar in sound to what Miriam has
done with ‘Adiamus’ etc.
I’m sure more demos will be issued before official
product release,

Brian

May 30 2004
08:11
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I’m beginning to think that modelling the Miriam Vocaloid on a named singer is going to prove a case of shooting yourself in the foot. People are bound to compare the Vocaloid with the real thing (impossible with Leon/Lola) – and of course, you will NEVER be able to produce the sound that Miriam herself is capable of, and which you can hear in her recordings, using arteficial synthesis. And I really do mean NEVER.
Chris

May 30 2004
10:10
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Well I don’t know what we were expecting!

You’ve got to ask yourself – what are you listening to.

If you are listening to the vocaloid effect, then nothing has changed – why should it – the process is the same.

If you are listening through the effect, to the voice, then it is quite different, especially in higher registers. (Listen to “Is this it” the voice of a soloist)

For me the most impressive demo for realism is the Bach vowels. It would not have occured to me that that was synthesized, but I suppose there’s not much happening to give itself away.

Personally, I would pay the extra £50 for Miriam, but I wouldn’t pay the extra £250 on top of Lola for what I want it for, which is just a way of producing a few vocal effects in my music.

Actually, the more I listen to the demos, the more different and impressive Miriam sounds.

I think “Ballgame” is an interesting one, because you can hear exactly what vocaloid sounds like raw, and you can’t delude yourself that you’re getting a real singer.

BTW I’ve been waiting for these demos, because I wasn’t going to buy Lola and then wish I’d waited for Miriam.

May 30 2004
11:07
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I would have to disagree on a couple of points, Rod. You say that the effect should be no surprise as it’s the same process as Lola/Leon. This is not quite true. Miriam is using the new [b:vnsv4frs]improved [/b:vnsv4frs]Yamaha software, which we have not had yet. Secondly, Miriam has, according to the publicity, been sampled over a much greater range than the other two. In other words, it should be BETTER. It isn’t.
Secondly you say, ask yourself what you are listening to. I think the Zero-G publicity is once again going into hyperbole mode with things like “With Vocaloid MIRIAM, you will have your own virtual version of Miriam Stockley’s superb voice at your disposal in your own studio!” As I said, I think that is just a little optimistic. She has a superb voice but it is not possible to [b:vnsv4frs]replicate[/b:vnsv4frs] it in the studio with Vocaloid. You may get near. But not too near. I think we can all be forgiven for being just a little disappointed. Yes if you don’t have Lola, then get Miriam. Having spent 200 on Lola, I have have no intention of spending 250 on Miriam – unless I get my money back on Lola – or get a substantial discount. But we’ve been down this route before in the early days of this forum. There will be no discount.
Cheers
Chris
PS Make sure we get to hear your Miriam demos on here.

May 30 2004
14:44
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So you see Zero-G, you have to make the additional voices available to current users much cheaper, a sort of loyalty upgrade deal. For people who already have one or two Vocaloids, they’re not installing a whole new software, only the vocal font from the CD! You can’t excpect us to keep forking out for whole new Vocaloids surely. Rethink this will you, we all want to add Miriam and discuss it, but it’s not going to happen is it?

As to the demos, I think Zero-G should have other people make their demos. We’ve heard better Vocaloid examples here in the uploads.

May 30 2004
15:03
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To me, the Miriam demos sounded a lot like the results I get with Leon now. I don’t need another Leon. Zero G, you’re in the soundfont business. Give us some vocaloid fonts that we can add to our existing software and at a reasonable price. If you don’t, you can bet that thousands of computer/sound savy folks will. Probably will anyhow, but being the first out there with good sounds insures a high place in the market.

May 30 2004
15:23
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Quetzalcoatl, where have you been?

May 31 2004
21:19
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The new demos added today are very good.

The Auld Lang Syne is pretty good, but Somewhere Over the Rainbow is incredible!

May 31 2004
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Somewhere over the rainbow is a beautiful song in itself, but I was not impressed with the demo vocals. To me the Lola demo voice sounds better and more usable. I would like to have a female voice to add to my collection, but no way am I going to spend 450 bucks for one. I may purchase Lola instead if there is significant improvement in the software. If not, I will have to settle for old squawking Leon in my high vocals.

Jun 2 2004
12:16
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Just had a quick listen to some of the demos from Miriam again. “Somewhere Over The Rainbow” is a classic song and done pretty well here I think. A nice feeling of “virgin naivety” to the tune which is in keeping with the spirit of the original. Context, context, context. First – critical – impressions for me concern the feeling of listening to someone singing in the next room i.e slightly muffled/indistinct/once removed effect. This could be a production thing where the chosen reverb is coming back to cloud the voice slightly – or is there a lack of presence in the vocaloid itself? Secondly (and it could be psycho-acoustic or perhaps over processing on perhaps the pitch bend) but I get the feeling that Miriam is singing slightly – flat? – in places. Must be me…. Having said that, the voice is on the whole more “natural” and “sweet” to my ears than Lola’s – or did someone spend a lot of time on – careful – editing? Miriam strikes me as being a bit more “girly” sounding than Lola, which is good/useful. I too was a little disappointed upon first impressions of Miriam, but looking ahead I think I can see a place for her voice in some things I’d like to do. Next thing to do is convince my skinny speaking wallet to stop screaming “No!” at me… now if only my wallet could sing… it’d be the blues no doubt <img class=” />

Jun 13 2004
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With great respect to the demo programmer, the “Over The Rainbow”
demo sounded dissapointing for me, I feel this still sounds nothing
like Miriam Stockley.
If the product had been called “Enya” and boxed with a picture of
Enya on the front, or “Cleo” with a picture of Cleo Laine on the box,
I think we could be forgiven for expecting the product to offer similar
sounding results as those associated with the vocal qualities of these
perfomers.

Brian :?

Jun 13 2004
15:04
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Yeah!! And if it said “Roseanne” on the box, the results would be expected too. Actually the new software has improved things a lot. I have noticed that I need about 4 or 5 points higher in the gender now or I get a nasal sound. The timing, speed and smoothness of play seems much better.

Aug 11 2004
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The free version of Miriam is now available. See the news article on the home page.

Aug 11 2004
08:40
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Interesting. So why are there no restrictions on the use of the software demo, similar to those on p100 of the Lola manual. You know, all that stuff about not being able to say that it’s Vocaloid Lola in a commercial song. (We discussed this a lot a few months back). It seem that either this has been relaxed or zero-g has forgotten to include it in the agreement. (Section 4, User Licences, 4-2 D (c) and (d).
Does this mean the restriction is lifted on Lola now?
Chris

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