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Will You Be Buying Miriam?
Apr 3 2004
16:40
quetzalcoatl
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[color=red:iptp4qo2]See? I’ve tried again to inclide three poll options and it won’t let me.[/color:iptp4qo2]

Will You Be Buying Miriam?

Here’s your cahnce to vote and comment.

Me? No, and the only reason is the price, it’s even more expensive than Leon and Lola. I don’t care whether Miriam Stockley is a well-known backing singer, outside of that world, no one has heard of her.

Apr 3 2004
17:42
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I was gonna vote but there was too many options for me to decide on. heh heh Miriam costs way too much for me to purchase. UNLESS I hear USER samples with good quality in all pitch ranges. I wont trust the Zero G or Yamaha demo’s again!!

Apr 3 2004
20:42
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Not for me to vote. I’ve only used Lola for a limited time, courtesy of someone in the music dept. (who bought Lola) at a college. They won’t even let me turn it on. I have to sit down at the computer that already has it launched. They only let me touch it because they know I sing. They expected miracles, which I cannot provide.

Miriam has her own web site. She’s not just a backup vocalist. If you don’t have her album, you can hear a sample recording of her singing.

Neither Yamaha nor Zero-G ever said that these voices were leads. I gotta admit that was my first question, but in retrospect, it was not a good question. I supposed that a fair lead singer would make a better backup. No. Besides, it’s evidently difficult to manipulate a lead voice accurately. Backups often don’t need accuracy.

My relatively ignorant opinion (I don’t do studio) is that Zero-G, or other suppliers of the voices, might do better with vocal GROUPS (male, female, or mixed) for specific use as backups. Then, only present demos with the vocal groups used as backup to a living lead. Think “Theme from Shaft.” (I am showing my age!)

Apr 4 2004
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[quote="RobA":eoloe2rb]Miriam has her own web site. She’s not just a backup vocalist. If you don’t have her album, you can hear a sample recording of her singing. [/quote:eoloe2rb]

The best of luck to her, whoever she is!

[quote="RobA":eoloe2rb]Neither Yamaha nor Zero-G ever said that these voices were leads.[/quote:eoloe2rb]

Oh yes they have and still do, and we’ve covered this a few times now. On their site they claim:

[i:eoloe2rb]”…you will find that with patience even realistic lead vocal lines can become a reality.”[/i:eoloe2rb]

[quote="RobA":eoloe2rb]Zero-G, or other suppliers of the voices, might do better with vocal GROUPS (male, female, or mixed) for specific use as backups.[/quote:eoloe2rb]

What an excellent idea! I suppose that when you’ve got three Vocaloid soundfonts, you will have exactly this anyway, and herein lies the rub, the rub being making more money from selling three separate Vocaloids instead of one. But let’s not forget that Zero-G are not a charity, they are in business, so good luck to them too. And when other Vocaloids are released by other companies, we’ll see what happens.

Apr 4 2004
08:34
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Thanks Q for trying to set up 3 optons. I’ll vote on the original as that way you will have all the votes in one place.
Regarding recording backing groups. Surely it would be easier, if you have the equipment, to overdub loads of Lolas?
Regarding the real Miriam, there is a thread on here somewhere about Miriam Stockly. She is the voice of Adiemus. A little more than a mere backing singer. I think her main selling point is her phenomenal natural vocal range. She contrasts a lot with Lola. Lola is a soul voice and a rather deep one at that. Miriam should give you much better sounding top notes. At least, that’s the theory……
Cheers
Chris

Apr 4 2004
19:33
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Miriam’s web site is at
http://www.miriam.co.uk/miriam.htm

Thanks, Q., for pointing out the “realistic lead with patience” thing. Not having much patience, I must have tuned that part out. But a couple of the original (Zero-G?) demos of Lola were within my expectations (moderate) for a lead, as this point in the technology.

I’m not sure that over-dubbing a single voice will produce the same effect as having an actual chorus of independent voices. To avoid the effect of speaking through a tube (I believe mentioned in connection with Leon), the voices would have to be put in random phases with random tonal differences. Although software can do that, live singers (recording as a group) do it naturally.

Apr 4 2004
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I will likely buy it, but with some trepidation it has to be said. I wasn’t overly impressed with the Lola & Leon demos to be honest….but if the technology improves it could be great for ppl like me with no way of realistically hiring singers to do stuff

I guess I’m really hanging out for some Miriam demos and as I’m a first time buyer (not having Lola & Leon) money isn’t such a big issue for me. I don’t think I’d buy more than one Vocaloid product….

Apr 5 2004
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I would be interested in a Vocaloid choir, where a whole group of people have been sampled singing the same note/phoneme. I like to use these sounds in my music but have had to make do with the usual sampled choir Ooh and Aah sounds. I’d love them to be able to sing actual words.
Cheers
Chris

Apr 5 2004
08:34
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Hopefully Miriam is the soul singer I been waiting for.

If the upgrade that speeds up the vocaloid workflow is sufficent, then I will consider Miriam (that hopefully have a better vocal font). I hope that Miriam makes the lyrics understandable to the average listener without
to much extra tweaking. :)

May 11 2004
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I’ll buy it if they implement my MIDI teasmade protocol demands. And my calls for a free Ed Stratton executive relief punch bag idea will probably be ignored. A realtime cut down lo-res “draft mode” VSTi version with the hi-res offline version rendering later when the song is finished would be just plain silly and pointless. Why don’t they make a little synthetic engine like Cantor’s for draughting that can be replaced later with a full vocaloid soundfont? And I think 16 bit 44.1khz is not high enough quality for a “human” voice synth. Roll out a high spec 24 bit 96khz vocaloid on DVD and I’ll be more interested. And we need a much more intuitive front end, and a much much bigger and better dictionary DB with bloody dozens of ready made alternative spellings based on musical context/styles in cute little drop down boxes. We need the same for the expression presets only labelled in plain English. We need REAL expression – there’s no real timbre change to indicate volume – it’s flat and bland. We need the vocal dirt and rasp that conveys emotion. I need a cup of tea. Suppose I’ll have to get up and make it myself….. <img class=” />

May 11 2004
20:09
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I think you’ve already OD’d on caffein this evening Robot Archie.
Chris

May 11 2004
21:30
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LOL Where can we get one of them Ed Stratton punching bags?? Almost swallowed my tongue laughing when I read that. Have another cup of coffee

May 12 2004
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May 13 2004
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Hi Q! Are you still with us? Haven’t heard from you for ages…..
Chris

May 13 2004
12:23
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Lot of good ideas in these forums. A vocaloid choir would be great. How about a vocaloid Barbershop Quartet or a duet ie the Everly brothers.

May 14 2004
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[quote="andromeda":k811amwh]Hi Q! Are you still with us? Haven’t heard from you for ages…..
Chris[/quote:k811amwh]

Blimey! It lives!

May 14 2004
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[quote="gray":20shbjqj]Lot of good ideas in these forums. A vocaloid choir would be great. How about a vocaloid Barbershop Quartet or a duet ie the Everly brothers.[/quote:20shbjqj]

Or the Olsen Twins? <img class=” /> . Do you mean an actual sampled duet (!?) or what we have now i.e. Lola and Leon (and soon to be joined by Miriam) under one control? Quetzalcoatl is one of the few members lucky (?) enough to have both Lola and Leon – and a wee birdie tells me that he must have been working so hard on his latest magnum opus that he’s been neglecting his buddies on the forum (bless his shiny plastic chops and beady eyes that follow you round the room)….. :D

May 14 2004
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I guess a choir or duet wouldn’t work unless they split the voices for input. Harmony isn’t a definitive thing to work with, And 2 or 10 voices singing the same not would kinda suck.

May 14 2004
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It would be nice if you could alter the tuning away from A 440 herts in microtonal steps for individual voices, given that vocaloid can produce up to 16 voices in theory. Having said that, the pitch control can probably be pressed into service here (more hard work)… Ho hum

May 14 2004
21:49
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The pirch control works okay on some notes. On others it gives a really rash sound when used to pitch bend. I havent tried it as a detune function. I may have to give that a try on the next song I do with harmony vocals.

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