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Impossible Dream by keepspace
Mar 19 2004
11:03
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Good song! I would bring Vocaloid more to the fore (louder and centre), and maybe do some harmonies. But this is the sort of thing you could easily send to publishers and record companies as a song-writing demo.

Mar 19 2004
16:11
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Thanks for the encouragement! It would be easy to get a little disenchanted by some of the voting that has been going on.

Personally I don’t think Lola is good enough (yet?) to be brought too far forward in the mix. I play around with the audio file produced from Vocaloid (instead of changing parameters in the Vocaloid midi itself) to try to overcome some of her strange splutters and squeaks.

I’m hoping Miriam is immensely better, as the general idea of having the service of a virtual singer is brilliant.

Regards,

Mar 19 2004
16:24
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I think most people would agree with you. All I’m saying is that if you’re going to use Vocaloid as a tool to show off lyrics, then let’s hear it. At the moment I can understand about half of what is being sung, because it’s too deep in the mix.

Mar 19 2004
17:16
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In that case I agree with you as well! I’ve not really got into the lyric writing side. You would find me out if you could tell what Lola was singing. To be honest I sometimes just change the words to something that sounds OK and avoid the things that Lola struggles with – generally resulting in gobbledeegook.

I’ve tried to improve her diction by adjusting consonant lengths etc. but have not found a way to help her over her impediment.

Mar 19 2004
19:50
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[quote="keepspace":34bl9i7d]I sometimes just change the words to something that sounds OK and avoid the things that Lola struggles with – generally resulting in gobbledeegook[/quote:34bl9i7d]

This is what the composers of that big “heaven’s choir” stuff we hear in horror films do .. they actually type “ho-ha-sha-tee-oss-oh-ley-ama!” ..and somehow we suspend disbelief and it all sounds great, Ha ha.

But hey, your effort sounds good to me, let’s see some more by you soon OK? :D

Mar 20 2004
11:49
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:D

BEST USER SONG I’ve HEARED SO FAR ( GAVE IT AN 8/10)!

( I HAVE JUST ORDERED MR LEON. CAN’T WAIT TO GET STARTED)

Mar 20 2004
16:37
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[quote="newuser":1tn00ox4]:D

BEST USER SONG I’ve HEARED SO FAR ( GAVE IT AN 8/10)!

( I HAVE JUST ORDERED MR LEON. CAN’T WAIT TO GET STARTED)[/quote:1tn00ox4]
You gonna be pulling your hair out when you first use vocaloid. But stay with it, and look at other user files to get general ideas of how to use it. I put it away after I had it a week. Then I tried again and got womewhat poor results on my first file I posted here (The Sky Is Crying). Finally got the hang of it and now I’m getting fair results. I keep experimenting with settings and resonance. Some day perhaps I will get the results I want.

Mar 20 2004
17:08
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I just found time to download this 1. Very good job on the vocals. I would like to see your midi file uploaded here. Not so much for the words, but for the parameter settings. I’ve noticed Leon sounds best as a female. Does Lola sound best as a male?? Just wondering. Please upload the midi files. Maybe someone else here has a little trick to make it sound even better for you. I would like to try a Lola file with Leon to see what happens. I gave you a 9 for your obvious efforts with the parameters in the song. Good song too BTW.

Mar 20 2004
18:23
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I didn’t post the midi because (as I’ve noted other people have said) the vocal is broken down into a lot a small pieces to make the sound generation time acceptable. I’ve done nothing clever at all with the Lola settings – I tried a few but just went back to the defaults for the singer, volume etc. Currently my general technique is:

Choose words that Lola can sing without gargling
Generally make the notes extend to touch the one following
Use the subtle vibrato on long notes but no attack- occasionally some crescendo.
Try to get a good key for her (although I think Impossible Dream is too high)
Generate the audio file and then:
Adjust the gain throughout the sample to balance out her strange intonation – she goes loud and quiet in a way that I think fits Japanese better than English.
On the audio track:
Apply a bit of compression
Apply a bit of reverb
Oddly, I use often some Autotune because she does sometimes go a little off key and it introduces some more vibrato.

And that’s as far as I’ve got.

I’m hoping that Vocaloid will get to the point where you can put in the notes and the words and the result is immediately acceptable, so all the other expression changes are just there for more subtle improvements – maybe this will be so with Miriam?

Cheers

Mar 20 2004
19:38
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When I use compression with my vocaloid files, most but not all seem to kill parts of the lyrics. I’m kinda new at sound waves so maybe I just havent set it right yet. Thanks for the info though. Still would like to see your midis. Even pieces be ok

Mar 20 2004
21:05
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I’ll post one of the sequences that I think comes out most clearly. To my ear its usually the first line or two – I’m not sure whether this is just me being deceived, because I tend to throw too much orchestration in later or because I don’t have the patience to take equal care all the way through.

The midi will be disappointing though as there are no special techniques involved.

I should also say that my general way of working is to use Vocaloid editor connected to my Cubase sequencer via Rewire, so I can play Lola along with the mix to get it roughly right before I convert to audio and muck around with the audio track.

I haven’t found a way of stopping her from sounding like the falsetto singer from the theme music to Black Adder (Elizabethan series). though.

PS Hope this isn’t too British a reference.

Mar 20 2004
22:46
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I know what you mean about the falstto. But at least its listenable that way. That male chipmonk sound drives me nuts. Everything vocaloid is so pitch dependant. No way you ever gonna get Robert Plants high notes to sound masculine with vocaloid. LOL

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