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My first Lola project: "Undertow"
Apr 10 2004
Forum Posts: 18
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Apr 7 2004

I am not loading this in the Download forum because it will only be available temporarily, and for copyright-oriented reasons. However, if anyone is interested, you can hear my first example of a project with Lola at…..dertow.mp3 (it is just over 3 minutes and at 128 kbps).

Lola is used purely for background vocals, and with no manual tweaking other than changing a few phonemes from the defaults. I’d intended to try doing other tweaking, but didn’t have time this week, especially since it takes 7 minutes to render the file after any change I want to hear. I did pan the three voices differently in Vocaloid. This was done in SONAR 3 Producer via ReWire.

I do expect to continue working on the background vocals to try to add some humanizing and expressive elements. However, I won’t resume work on it for until at least late next week, if not sometime the week after. The project itself is a rough mix. Besides the background vocals (humanizing what is there and/or putting in real vocals), I plan to thin the arrangement some, mainly with fader automation, and possibly to add some percussion.


Apr 10 2004
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Feb 26 2004

Are you sure you haven’t upped the wrong mix Rick? I can’t [i:1gxzvktr]any [/i:1gxzvktr]backing, let along hear Lola <img class=” />

OK, I got on second listening. Lola is very subtle. For such a hidden mix you could have done the backing yourself, and then used a pitch plugin <img class=” />. I don’t like the phase (or whatever it is) effect on the hi-hats, sounds like the MP3 is faulty. Maybe Lola could do it, just type in “tss” <img class=” />

Nice track Rick, loved it really :D

Apr 11 2004
Forum Posts: 18
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Apr 7 2004

Thanks, Quetzalcoatl. Of course the BGVs are more subtle than I might normally make them for reasons we’ve all hit on in the other thread, but I didn’t think they were all that subtle in some parts. Once I blend in some of my own BGVs, and play around more with fader automation (this is a rough mix), I’ll likely bring them up further. Well, maybe not the Lola ones, but the BGVs in general.

On the hi-hat thing, that is a filter running on the drum loops which, unfortunately, are a full set, so I can’t process one part different than the rest. I may very well change that when I do a final mix, but was trying to get a more pop sound, rather than the somewhat more bluesy pop/rock I’d started with. Tweaking the drums that way, and adding the synths and putting them relatively high in the mix, seemed to help in that regard. I’m pitching this song to a pop singer, so wanted to try and give her a flavor for how this might work in a somewhat modern pop context.

Oh, by the way, I realize I could have done the BGVs myself (I usually do). I just thought this would be a good project to use to try Lola out since my original vision on the song was kind of bluesy rock, with a female soul backup trio. So I got more of an Eastern European backup trio instead, but that was probably okay for the more pop context anyway. ;)


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