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Nebula by Andromeda
Apr 5 2004
21:49
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http://www.vocaloid-user.net/modules.ph … &lid=86#dl

Yes, that’s beautiful andromeda :D

Very much in the Clannad/Enya style. In fact all you need to do is to put a bit of a gentle whisper in Lola’s voice and you’ve got it! Draw a line in the Harmonics at around 30 <img class=” />

Apr 6 2004
05:26
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When I lower harmonics I lose volume. To get the whisper effect I lower brightness to about 20 and clearness about 30 and up the noise level. I was doing a fadeout and dropping note velocity all the way still didnt fade, so I dropped harmonics and it faded real well. And that is a great song BTW.

Apr 6 2004
08:04
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Thanks for the positive comment Q. I lowered the “noise” level quite a bit. The MP3 transfer seems to reduce a lot of the top end too. I had to go for a lower quality bitrate to fit the file to the 5MB limit. I’ll post the other parameters here today. The vowel sound was just phonetic Q. This is not the phoneme you get for automatic tranlation from “Ah”.
Cheers
Chris

Apr 6 2004
10:38
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Parameters on Nebula are:
Noise 33
Brightness 44
Clearness 41
Gender 41

Vibrato = subtle, applied from very near start of note
No attack on any notes
Phoneme Q on all notes
No adjustmets to any other parameters
Lola sings more sweetly when the notes have no gaps between them.
This sounds unrealistic to me, though, as it means she doesn’t get a chance to breath.. <img class=” />

Apr 6 2004
22:11
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Thanks for the parameters :D

We legitimate users were promised “breaths” we could download weren’t we :?: The problem with breaths is they sound aweful after compression .. just listen to any AM Talk radio to hear what I mean, they sound like they’re coming up for air all the time, LOL. I’ve presented programmes on AM radio and I know what a pain in the ass it is.

Apr 17 2004
20:25
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i only registered to say your work is beautiful.
i came across vocaloid as a way to get “classical”
vocals in my orchestral songs.
Andromeda’s work has convinced me to buy,
as this,(vocaloid),will only get better.

Apr 18 2004
08:51
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To Orion, from one constellation to another, thank you so very much for your kind words. Your intended use of Lola matches mine very much. I have some “classical” songs but no singer for them. Lola isn’t ready to sing them yet, but she can get close at times. The Nebula piece did not originally have the middle section, but was a rather longer floaty orchestral piece with an intended wordless soprano chorus. (A bit like Neptune from the Planets). It now has a wordless alto solo and a new middle section. The middle section actually came from music I wrote (in 1988) for the play “The Life of Galileo” – by Brecht, and seemed to fit well. It was based on a plainchant melody.
I’m glad you like the piece – I notice it seems to be getting a lot of downloads too. I’m amazed and very pleased.
Cheers
Chris

Apr 18 2004
13:11
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yes the music is seamless,whole and dignified
ever heard “the unanswered question” what got
me was how the composer floated the gabble of
woodwind around seamless strings,and the result
was powerful,this is exactly what i am trying to achieve.
however lola’s downfalls of actual sung words
the above example i refer to doesnt have any
“musical” structure in the classical sense,but
what continues on for eternity is the neverending
unbroken strings.
so apart from blatant lyrical content,the oohs
and aahs do have a place in composition due
to the fact that with some music says more than
words can ever tell “big cliche sorry for than muhahaha”

but what remains is lola can handle the song quite
beautifully without singing the words.
i for one am prepared to put up with this approach
till lola is fully realised as we all hope she will be.

Apr 18 2004
16:44
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Sorry to put a damper on expectation, but I don’t really think there’ll be much more development of the existing vocaloids per se. The control software will probably be refined a little with a limited “backwards compatibility” benefit for Lola/Leon users. I reckon we’ll find that big development/improvements will require a new voice library (e.g Miriam) . The actual Lola/Leon libraries probably won’t be extended for financial reasons as they seem to be quite intensive work to produce and therefore expensive. I think that new vocaloids will just come along as and when the sample companies feel it may be worthwhile in investing in licencing the Yamaha technology. If no one buys Miriam, then……

Apr 19 2004
03:55
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I disagree. As vocaloid users get more proficient I can see a sub-market for additional soundfonts. Be like music soundfonts. One on every website. Lots of entrepeneurs will figure vocaloid out and create vocal soundfonts, Thats when Leon and Lola will become real singers.

Apr 19 2004
10:17
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Of course I could be wrong, and I agree that there will most probably be new third party vocaloid “type” soundfonts and probably new playback engines to go with them in the future, but how can that help the Leon and Lola’s we have become better? Apart from licencing restrictions, you would need to have the original singers back into the studio to hope to get a match for their voices if you were thinking of extending their useful repertoire. No one outside of Zero-G and perhaps Yamaha even knows who the singers are let alone being able to book a week’s solid work in a quality studio squeezing thousands(?) more sounds out of them. I actually think that Leon was developed before Lola and that is perhaps why she sounds objectively “better” than him. Miriam will follow Lola and all things learnt will make Miriam “better” and so on. Given that Leon and Lola will soon share the improved engine of Miriam I still think that we will not see much “improvement” other than speed of rendering, bug fixes and other slick tweaks to the useability of the interface. I’m quite resigned to the Lola that I have not changing much, and think the real key to improvements in her capabilities will come from improvements in mine i.e. a better grasp of the phonetics and control tracks, etc. It would be great if Zero G had and released a whole bunch of “out takes” from the Lola/Leon sessions that added grunts and wheezes/whatever to the basic database repertoire, but who knows?

Apr 19 2004
10:18
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The whole downside to Vocaloid so far, has been the total dependence on separate vocal-font companies. I can’t think of any other soft-synth that is so totally dependent on 3rd party patches, lest it wouldn’t work at all!! Why didn’t Yamaha develop the sound-fonts for it too? Stupid, stupid. If anybody can make Vocaloid shine, it will be Yamaha themselves, who should produce vocal-fonts in the future, and they don’t all have to be Japanese. Also, I cannot accept that Yamaha have already decided to cancel all further development of the Vocaloid engine beyond small GUI improvements and bug fixes. Who said that, did Yamaha say that, where did you get the idea for that robot-man? :evil: Mind you, any company that eagerly wants to develop their product would be enthusiastically harvesting user feedback, they could be here amongst us, but Yamaha have shown no interest at all have they? Where the hell are they?

Apr 19 2004
10:42
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I read it on a news release. It was on the home page of some obscure website called vocaloid-user.net …. <img class=” />

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