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Sonika pronunciation fixes?
Jan 21 2011
01:35
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Hey guys. I’ve got a question about SONiKA and her infamous pronunciation.
So I’ve gotten around the sounds like "aI" and "eI" with "a j" and "e j", but something I want a little fix for is her "r" sound. Is there any other phoneme that I can make into a mock "r"? Sonika’s sounds…. gross and I’m hoping for a bit of a fix.

VOCALOIDMasters! Any tricks?

Jan 21 2011
10:20
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I first want to say that the voices created by Zero-G (Anders) Vocaloid are the best (in my view to editing).

Any Japanese or English voice must be edited for correct use.

Most important in the voices are the vowels and where you have to pay more attention.

With the voices created by Zero-G (Vocaloid2) you can do any combination among vowels, with all the naturality, voices as Sweet Ann or Hatsune Miku, it has problems between vowels.

I’ve repeated several times how important it is set correctly the default attacks in the editor Vocaloid.

With the default attacks, the voices sing very soft (drippy, prudish).
Keep in mind that when a real singer sings in high or very high register, much more effort and therefore the vowels should be changed, editing the phonemes.
For example, I used the phoneme "a" (V) to the sound "o" (O:) in high registers and the sound is as an "o" (O:)

You can check this in any of my videos.

Another example, Big Al in New York-New York, the word " New-York " in high register, I’ve to change all the vowels and combine with the originals,

(new =n U, original n u: , york j Q@ k, original j O@ k) Big Al sings with much effort but the result is very good, and this is what to do with all the voices.

With the consonants the same thing. If the r sound is very weak, for example in combination @r you can put another r after.

As you seen, I’m not speaking here of Sonika, all the Vocaloid voices have the same problem. This is not a fault of the voices or Vocaloid, the singers who do the voices don’t record his voices in all the registers.
Sorry for my bad english, as you know I don’t know the language, hope that you understands what I have wanted to express.

Feb 4 2011
01:09
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Hi All,
By default, does Sonika always sound like a 7 yr old kid? Every Sonika audio or video , she sounds like a 7 yr old kid. Is this her default voice?
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Timothy Kelly
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Feb 4 2011
01:32
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Yes, this is the default voice, though, you can modify it a bit with the gender parameters.

Feb 4 2011
02:11
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The key to making a VOCALOID sound older is really the Gender factor. You can edit it in the singer editor. I’ve got a set of SONiKA parameters for "dummy Appends"
Appends were first implemented by crypton, giving their VOCALOIDs moods from intense and strong to soft and depressed. Crypton however recorded a new VB for each singing mood. Dummy’s are just parameter edits trying to imitate them.

Solid
-Bre 0
-Bri 70
-Cle 65
-G 0
-Ope 80

Light
-Bre 0
-Bri 70
-Cle 85
-G -25
-Ope 80

Sweet
-Bre 50
-Bri 0
-Cle 65
-G -25
-Ope 80

Dark
-Bre 70
-Bri 25
-Cle 25
-G 15
-Ope 50

Looking at these, when "G" or gender is set to a higher number, she sounds older. Lower, younger.

Hey~ Giuseppe~ Will you dare tell me your trick to making Sonika sigh and stuff? :’3 I mean.. if it’s a personal trick then please don’t even consider it, but it fascinates me. Or what about the way your friend did all of those little sound effect segments in "Dinky Dink"?

Feb 4 2011
02:16
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And.. Sorry about the double post…. but the best song I’ve found for a more mature sounding SONiKA would be Nem’s [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNK-usurb68:12pq1ez1]"Euglena"[/url:12pq1ez1]. It’s a duet between Megpoid/GUMI and SONiKA. SONiKA sounds absolutely lovely in this.
You see.. The great thing about SONiKA is that she’s easy to change and edit into anything you want her to be, but you have to pay the price of the absolute NEED to fix pitch bends, dynamics and phonemes to make her sound decent.

Feb 4 2011
07:04
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Hello Everyone,
I am asking questions about some of the Vocaloid 2s, because as soon as I get a rebate check in the mail from Sony for Acid Music Studio 8. I can go buy one download Vocaloid.

At first I was simply going to get Leon, because that would give me a male pop Vocaloid. And since I am learning the Vocaloid 1 editor. And Leon is cheaper also.

But I do love Opera, have seen all the major operas live, including the full Ring, which took 7 days. And I find Prima very beautiful for a fake opera singer. But I do not compare any opera or even classical voice music.

I find Sonika’s voice interesting, but do not want to have to edit every word.

I like Big Al and Sweet Ann, but 149 bucks for a download is out of my price range this month, and I do not know anything about the non zero g Vocaloids.

Time to get back to editing my first Miriam song.

Thanks for the very detailed replies.

Happy Vocaloid Singing
Timothy Kelly
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Feb 4 2011
07:39
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Well… Sonika has an english voice library ready to use… So you don’t have to edit EVERY word per say. She just mumbles a lot, so it requires manual phoneme editing if you want it to be understandable. You can still make an english SONiKA song without any editing to her words at all… It just depends how much work you want to put into it. I believe that the guy who makes SONiKA’s demo songs (Giuseppe) doesn’t edit her wording at all and it sounds OK. I just couldn’t understand all of the words. A good majority, but not all.
The only words I really need to edit are ones with the "ai" and "ei" sounds like "Fly" or "Bay" and words with "ar" and "er" like "Star" and "Stare".
Just editing those makes a huge difference.

Really, any VOCALOID will have pronunciation issues you’ll need to fix. Ann doesn’t sing a lot of ends to her words. I had her sing "touched" and it came out "taught" so I needed to edit that. It’s just that SONiKA takes the MOST work. She still has an implemented, ready to use english dictionary still. Just like any other english VOCALOID.

And if this helps at all… VOCALOID user Doofus-P did a voice test with all of the VOCALOID2 with english voice banks. This makes it pretty easy to tell the differences in their pronunciation with them right after one another.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe9j_rhy3DQ:3958a3m3]VOCALOID Accent test[/url:3958a3m3]

Feb 4 2011
09:02
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Hi All, CF
I had no idea there were so many Vocaloid Videos up on You Tube. I watched about an hour of them.

I will start watching some everyday. I found the video from the Leon and Lola trade show booth very interesting where the demo guy showed how to use the control track and by the time he finished, the track sounded just like some out of tune singer at American Idol auditions being told no trip to Hollywood for you.

And I saved to my favorites a bunch of Giuseppe’s videos. I found it very helpful to watch the Vocaloid Editor Lead Vocal Track scroll by while the lyrics displayed under the video.

How do you get the lyrics to display under the editor window? In video editing software?

Happy Vocaloid Singing
Timothy Kelly
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Feb 4 2011
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Yeah… I think video editor software… If you could do it in the VOCALOID editor, it’d be awesome, but unfortunately… no…

Yeah. XD You have NO idea how large the music world of VOCALOID is~
Mostly Japanese songs are popular though. 8P It’s also kind of hard to find high quality videos, but that’s OK.

Did you know that in Japan, VOCALOID got SO popular that they had a live, holographic VOCALOID concert?

Feb 4 2011
18:16
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Hi All, CF
Yes, the first Vocaloid Videos I watched were the Vocaloid Concert videos. What I find amazing to how many non native English speakers are putting up Vocaloid Videos where they can get most of the words right by just using the Vocaloid defaults.

Watching daily Vocaloid Videos now is helping me decide which Vocaloids to purchase and which ones to add first.

Happy Vocaloid Weekend
Timothy Kelly
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Aug 27 2011
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This is really cool! I just recently discovered vocaloids. I had no idea they’d been around so long. I started watching the videos on Youtube and decided to get the program, since I’m trying to record music through Pro Tools and I have no one to sing them. So far the vocals are a little rough, but I’m getting there. This is the main reason for joining this site. There are very talented people here and I know I can learn a lot from you.

Aug 28 2011
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Hi Everyone
Welcome to Vocaloid Music Making. The Vocaloids as a group keep getting more popular as more Vocaloid Users and Fans enjoy the beautiful music that can be created using Vocaloids.
Happy Vocaloid Singing
TeachYourselfSinging

Aug 28 2011
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[quote="TeachYourselfSinging":24jtfgs0]Hi Everyone
Welcome to Vocaloid Music Making. The Vocaloids as a group keep getting more popular as more Vocaloid Users and Fans enjoy the beautiful music that can be created using Vocaloids.
Happy Vocaloid Singing
TeachYourselfSinging[/quote:24jtfgs0]

I’m telling anyone who’ll listen about them. I have a few music recording friends in my area that I’m working on, plus I have my own music forum and I’ve been advertising it there.

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