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Mar 8 2004
08:57
ilmars
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Has anyone noticed clicks at the end of notes, when assigning decrescendos to the following words when using Lola?

“love”, “mind”, “I”

I find a rather procounced click at about 2/3 of the length of the note, particularily at slow tempos at a value of a half note or more.

It doesn’t seem to matter whether the dynamics are entered as hairpins from the Icon Palette, or if they are drawn in the expert dynamic mode.

Trying to avoid the click while getting a good decrescendo on some words is quite tricky in some cases, and it really pops out when effects are applied.

Mar 8 2004
10:39
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I had a similar problem, with an odd sound in the middle of a sustained note. In my case, it was because I had increased the length of the note at some point – and the note originally had a parameter (clearness I think) value in the control track assigned to it. The note was now longer than the original, and at the point where the old not ended, the parameter value changed abruptly. The solution was to increase the length of the control parameter to match the new length of the note.
Hope this helps.
Chris

Mar 9 2004
06:32
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The problem I mentioned occurs whenever I enter a note containing the sounds “love”, “mind”, “I”. with nothing in the Control Track. As soon as a decrescendo is attached from the Icon Palette, even to a single note by itself in a file, there is an audible click near the end of the note.

If the length of the note is adjusted, the click still moves with the note so that it remains about 2/3 from the end of the note.

Not to confuse matters. but if one enters expert dynamic mode and enters a decrescendo in the Control Track, the same thing happens.

It’s as if the harmonics of the voice have been reduced so that the noise portion is more audible, but I think the click may even be present prior to the dynamic being attached, but at a much lower level.

Sometimes a work around is to synchronize the click with a beat in the rhythm track to mask it, but that often is inconvenient.

Has anyone else reproduced this problem? All you need to do is enter a half note with the word “love” and attach a decrescendo. The click is quite pronounced.

I look forward to and appreciate your comments.

Mar 9 2004
08:34
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Yes I see what you mean. I think it’s a bug. :roll:

There is an easier work around than making the click in time with the music. As you said, the click is part of the noise (or non-harmonic) bit of the voice, so you can make it silent by drawing a decrease in noise on the noise track for just the bit where the click happens (might have to drop it to zero if its a loud click).

Not ideal, but seemed to work when I tried it.

Mar 10 2004
09:39
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Thanks for the input, Joe and Chris.

Yes, the click does get reduced when decreasing the noise in the control track, although it can still be heard somewhat, even when the level of the noise reaches zero.

After listening closely to a note with nothing attached to it, the click is also audible. I’ll send in a bug report regarding all this soon to the folks at Zero-G.

To pursue a related aspect of this further, it is interesting that decrescendos have been implemented so that only the voiced component of the sound gets reduced. The noise or “in-harmonic” unvoiced component remains at the same level. While this can be an interesting effect, it is not what naturally happens when a singer decreases volume. Both the voiced component and the noise portion are normally reduced in that case. It is quite diffoicult to hold the noise level up while performing a decrescendo.

While this may not be very significant when entering a single voice line, it does become a problem when entering several harmony parts and then performing a decrescendo on each part. I’ve found the remaing noise levels build up among the parts to the extent that the result sounds like an electronic hiss. Obviously, the solution is to reduce the noise level on each part as well as adding the decrescendos.

My preference would be that the noise level reduces with the decrescendo as a default. If one required the opposite effect, then the noise level could be increased manually as an extra step by the user.

Anyway, just a coople of thoghts, thanks again for your advice.

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