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Cubase and vocaloid ala ReWire
Oct 20 2004
01:12
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Ok I know how to use rewire I use it all the time with Reason. but for the life of me I can’t get vocalloid to work. It just Skips and jerks and blips and Pops. It also screws up Reason . It will not run Untill I remove Vocaloid.
Im using Cubase SX2.20 and Vocaloid 1.0.5 my Puter has Plenty o poop to run anything I want in Cubase. Any Ideas?

Ziggy :evil: :evil:

Oct 20 2004
10:55
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Cubase…hmmm very much ressources needed by this one. I’m using Orion-Platinum as Host Application and anything with Reason 2.5 and Vocaloid-Miriam runs perfect.
Anyway: Your Problem can have hundrets of causes. You should give us a little more details. If vocaloid brings any voice-like sound, then it might try to run correct but doesn’t have enough ressources. If you use Windows XP, what about your RAM? less than 512 MB? That’s one main Problem.
You should first switch to Vocaloid and try to start it stand alone (temp. stop its rewiring), with Cubase running but not playing back anything. If vocaloid then computes your midifile and starts singing correct, there is a Problem with your Computers Ressources. First try to switch off all Services that you do not really need. Stop Network drivers, Firewalls, Virus-Scanners etc. Close all other Programs. Configure Windows to run optimized for Services, not for Applications. This gives the Asio-Drivers more power. Configure the preferences of Video for maximum performance, switch off rolling menues etc. Defragment your Harddisk. Vocaloid needs a lot of Disk-accesses before it starts singing. If you have more than 1 physical HD-Drive, devide the Pagefile in 2 Parts, one on each Drive and set it static.
On my machine it was helpful to create 2 Hardware-Profiles. One for normal Work, and a special one only for Music. The special Profile uses only drivers and devices needed for Music, any Networking, Graphical Gimmics, Antivirus and ports (ser/par/usb/Lan/Modem/IR) are switched off. With this configuration a P4 (3Ghz, 1 Gb Ram) is able to run Orion Platinum with 6 Devices, rewired to Vocaloid and Reason with about 40 Devices.

Oct 20 2004
17:10
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I’m running a P4 3Ghz with 1 gig of memory I have a SATA raid drives of over 128 gig free using an event Layla sound module. XP Pro. A lot of the time I get a message in cubase” Vocaloid is generating the vocal track wait a moment please” and it hangs. sometimes it goes and just gives me noise. Which is what Reason does too when vocaloid is loaded. Watching my CPU and Memory load , I have over 500meg available memory and my CPU goes between 13 and 45 % I’ve shut off everything running except Cubase and Vocaloid. Still no luck. IF there Isn’t any note data in Vocaloid I get “Invalid Note Data Track1 Voice 1 pianrol: Empty Sequence”. So it wont run with, no sound loaded. I’ve been using cubase for over 15 years and have grown with the changes from and Atari ST to the PC and Thoroughly understand resourse issues. This one is just kicking my butt. if I remove Reason It works a little better but still intermitant. I’ve turned off Multi threaeding in the bios and that helped some too . I saw where MACs where having problems with Multi CPU’s and thought maybe multi threading was messing it up. but still intermitant. I Don’t see how I can use Vocaloid without playing the vocals with the music as I write the song.
I’ve reloaded everything several times in different orders and still no luck
I just can beleive I’m the only one with this problem.

Oct 20 2004
17:14
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one more thing.
It seems like when I run reason the tempo is screwed up. Way too fast. I made sure the temo was the same in Vocaloid and cubase. I heard that has been an issue. Still didn’t help

Oct 20 2004
17:17
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one more, Voice like sound “Yes” when running stand alone. Works fine. Just in Rewire it has no vicce like sound at all just pops and clicks and the Measure marker jumps and stallls.

Oct 21 2004
15:57
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What sort of Audio Device is the thing you use? Sound on board, PCI-Soundcard or external Device (USB/Firewire). Try to get the latest Drivers. If possible, use ASIO Drivers for your AudioDevice and configure Cubase to accept the Systemsettings. Have you installed the latest Version of DirectX (i think it is 9.0c, isn’t it…?) You can find out the Version of DirectX by clicking START / RUN and entering DXDIAG.
With Windows, Music creation is a hard job for Drivers and Services, not so hard for Applications.
In Windows XP, you can do the following to tune up Audio capacity and Asio:
On the Desktop right-click on “My computer”, then click “Properties”. In the Window “System properties” click on “Advanced” (i have a german OS, don’t know the exact translation, just look for something that sounds related to this text).
In the first Row (System-Performance) click on the Button “Settings” and on the next screen click on “Advanced”. Here you should find an Option to choose “Optimized for Programs” or “Optimized for Services”. Preset setting is for programs, change it to be optimized for Services. After all changes are done, reboot.
Oh, one more thing to check: What Version of Reason do you use? If your Reason is older than 2.5, it might not be able to use rewire 2.0 Maybe there can be a problem…
Sorry if this all doesn’t fix the problems, i can’t help you more…

Oct 22 2004
04:50
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Thanks for your help but interesting enough vocaloid works with the VSTi and the Voc Controller. just not with rewire. . Like I said I’m using a Layla wich is a rack mount unit that usese it own controler card. Not firewire. Reason 2.5 I really don’t think its an issue of resourses. I can run tons of Halon samples, effects, reason, ect with out any problems. I guess I need to find another rewire product and see if I can get two running without the vocaloid loaded. I even tried a different video card to no luck . I still find it hard t believe I’m the only one.

Oct 22 2004
09:31
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Welcome to the forum!

I think you should contact the Zero-G Vocaloid tech support. That is what they are there for.

Do you have the latest version of the vocaloid editor (Miriam is shipped with the current version)? Do you get the same problem when ‘play with synthesis’ is both on and off? Is the sample rate in Vocaloid the same as in Cubase? …… I don’t know what else to suggest

Good luck with it….. let us know what happens

Oct 22 2004
16:11
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play with synthsis is not an option with rewire on . And the sample rates I just thought of last night and my cubase was running 24 bit and vocaloid at 16 bit but the frequency was the same. After changing cubase down to 16 bit it made no difference. i guess its time for support .

Oct 22 2004
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