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FL Studio -Vocaloid problems?
Jun 14 2004
12:52
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I was forwarded this message, from the Vocaloid team at Yamaha Japan….

“We have found that unfortunately ReWire does not work with FL Studio in VOCALOID V1.0.5. We are sorry for this inconvenience. In order to make ReWire work with FL Studio, please use VOCALOID ver1.0.2, or we recommend the user to use CubaseSX instead.”

“For Vocaloid VSTi, the special NRPN messages are sent to transmit notes and lyrics. Therefore VST hosts that do not transmit NRPN to VSTi cannot be used with VOCALOID VSTi, and unfortunately FLStudio is one of those sequencers. VSTi works properly with (for example), Cubase VST/SX/SX2.”

Lets hope Yamaha can fix the Rewire bug and FL Studio can fix the NRPN bug soon….

Jun 14 2004
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:(
Thanks for that information. I have been in touch with FL Studio support team, and they said they will look into it. Unfortunately reading the threads in their forums, the word is that they have no plans to remedy this situation. Will the software that Tazman developing work with FL Studio? :D. If not then it would appear that I will have to go out and purchase another sequencer program like Cubase. Any money spent on that would have been spent on Miriam!……Oh well!….. C’est la vie.

Jun 14 2004
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Though my plugin seems to load and run fine on FL studio, as long as they don’t change the specifications and support sending NRPN parameters to VSTi plugins then unfortunately it won’t work.

To be honest I am very surprised that they don’t support NRPN parameters which is part of the MIDI standard specs.

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Jun 14 2004
14:33
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In one of the threads in Fl Studio forum it says that the program was never meant to be a fully fledged midi sequencer although it will have this functionality. The program was basically developped as a pattern base sequencer as Fruity Loops and it developed from their. It seems such a pity, as I am so comfortable with FL. The thought of having to go and learn another program is very daunting. specially a program like Cubase which by various people I have seen using, tell me that it is not very easy to use. And also the manuals are not very user friendly.

Mar 17 2008
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Not to mention cubase has the most intrusive copy protection ever imagined. You can’t make any copies, even for backup purposes, and if your hardware changes, your screwed…you have to go buy a new copy of cubase to go with your new system, lol.

There are workarounds, but its the kind of thing that will have me using other sequensers, even though Cubase, as far as I can tell, is the ONLY one in which ALL features of Vocaloid2 (rewire, vsti, vsti live) work as advertised.

The zero-g site even specifically says that vocaloid2’s vst2.0 will not work in Cakewalk Sonar (they don’t mention FL Studio).

And yes, I realize this thread is four years old, heh…it came up in a search I was doing in google :)

Mar 17 2008
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Which version of Cubase are you referring too? Did it come free with a sound card or something?

I have always found the (USB dongle) copy protection really hassle free … on different systems too.

Dec 5 2008
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It’s not only FL Studio. Also Reaper and Cubase SE3. And a lot of other programs. Rewire does not work at all, and you have to use aA everytime again and after the song started. You cannon render your song. It’s really a disaster. I also have Sonar Home Studio. It seems I don’t have any program it works on. I would have to buy CubaseSE 2 or use this old version of CubaseVST. With it, it works perfekt, but I cannot change my songs and would have to render it all the time again. Really try and error. I try Fruity Loops 3.5 now. Magix Music Maker 2006 Deluxe does only get the simpliest version, where you can’t write lyrics. Maybe without VSTi you can make it work. The cheapest way should be Magix Music Studio. Maybe I have it still somehwere. FL Studio 8 does work less with it than older versions it seems. So I try FL Studio 5 also.

This really sucks. You just would need a ‘Keep aA’ Button. Someone wanted to use the automation to do this, but I don’t think it will work.

Dec 8 2008
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[quote="MatisseGroening":s8ojpbbx]It’s not only FL Studio. Also Reaper and Cubase SE3. And a lot of other programs. Rewire does not work at all, and you have to use aA everytime again and after the song started. You cannon render your song. It’s really a disaster. I also have Sonar Home Studio. It seems I don’t have any program it works on. I would have to buy CubaseSE 2 or use this old version of CubaseVST. With it, it works perfekt, but I cannot change my songs and would have to render it all the time again. Really try and error. I try Fruity Loops 3.5 now. Magix Music Maker 2006 Deluxe does only get the simpliest version, where you can’t write lyrics. Maybe without VSTi you can make it work. The cheapest way should be Magix Music Studio. Maybe I have it still somehwere. FL Studio 8 does work less with it than older versions it seems. So I try FL Studio 5 also.

This really sucks. You just would need a ‘Keep aA’ Button. Someone wanted to use the automation to do this, but I don’t think it will work.[/quote:s8ojpbbx]

Hello, MattisseGroening! (Could this be Matt Groening, originator of the Simpsons?)

I never use Rewire, but I could never get the VSTI to work at all in Sonar. Don’t waste time trying those things. The only way Vocaloid works reliably is standalone. (I don’t know if it’s been improved in V2.) Just use the standalone Vocaloid editor to create your vocal part. (It will import MIDI files created in Sonar, however, including with lyrics.)

WHen you have the vocal part how you like it, save as a .wav file, and import that into Sonar, to go with your other parts.

Dec 10 2008
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Hello,

I created the Simpsons in 1990 (also Futurama basically), but I was sick and they could use me. Brannon Braga wrote his name on Equinox and Splitted/Shattered and more and more. I’m the ‘disturbed’ from some Roswell rumours. I wrote most of the first season and all the songs. I’m also the ‘Alien’ involved in Roswell and Red Planet, the story is also from me. I told them to sue and they tried to prevent it. In Europe I was Matt Groening first, in the States I’m Matisse Groening.

I tried all of this already – and I would have to use CubaseVST. I need the song in a track to write/fit in the vocals. If there would be a track layer for the music in Vocaloid, it would be enough. Of course you can use it with FL Studio, if you start with some empty patterns press start and render the vocals with aA while playing and fit it in. Then record the mixer of the soundcard. I gonna do both, I think. But actually you need the Vocaloid Editior to have all the features of Vocaloid2. There is a new version. Maybe I suggest a track playing or starting a CD Track too.

Dec 10 2008
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Did someone try Skale Tracker already? Maybe FL Studio could be made working with vocaloid2 and Rewire. We have to concentrate on Rewire, I think. It’s less checked.

I have no idea what to use for new songs now. I could also work with Sonar Home Srudio. Maybe with Magix Music Studio if I have to. CubaseSE 2 also works with Vocaloid, but I don’t wanna have it. I did a song with Live a long time ago. LMMS isn’t even worth the try and starting Jack and all this other stuff costs me a whole afternoon.

They write in Vocaloid2 the VSTi does not work with Sonar, CubaseSE3 and FL Studio. There are much more programs. If I would have one in mind now. I started with Octamed and made them do a Windows version but they couldn’t program this PCs.

What is with Apple? Any tries?

Dec 11 2008
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Okay: It works with EnergyXT2 (Demo 2.07) ! A 49 Euro program (I buy it in $ if possible)

Actually it shouldn’t and the plugin crashes when you close the gui completey while playing. But you can save (if not Demo) and restart the program. If you let it open you can render (Demo allows), but you have to turn the vocal-line back to the beginning or it renders wrong. With CubaseVST this does not happen, but to work with EnergyXT is much more pleasant. It has an interesting feature, because if you don’t make a short midi sequence longer and double click a new one, it is a new one. So you don’t have this infinitively long piano roll. It seems it treats midi-sequences like samples. That’s good. It’s somehow like the old Fruity Loops (without step sequencer), but just somehow. It’s the closest to FL I found ’till now. The features are okay for me but also hidden. In the beginning you think it’s too simple. I need more time with it but now it’s enough tested!

Reaper – No way
Anvil Studio – No way
Skale Tracker – ????? Forget this program
Sonar – No way
FL Studio – No way
CubaseSX – $$$$ -Can pay a singing prostitute and complicated (know it from the Atari)

Dec 12 2008
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God is not a composer: It works with Mackie Tracktion perfectly, but behaves a little different than CubaseVST5 – maybe better.

I tried to like it – but I have always the singing… in mind. I wrote to the EnergyXT folks, maybe it helps.

Okay let’s cut and render and cut and render.

Dec 12 2008
21:45
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Why can’t I edit my posts in this forum?

FL Studio has NRPN, but somehow it does not work with Vocaloid. NRPN can be edited with FL. In a German forum somemone created a midi controller using the Frutiy Loops Dashboard. The problem is these posts are from 2005 and end there. I never used the Dashboard. But FL Studio was the mentioned program with the possibility of editing NRPN. So we have to use this plugin to send the correct signal to Vocaloid when starting playing and rendering the song.

I use FL Studio because I wanna work quickly. And I do not even use 50% of its features. What is to do with this dashboard????? How do I ‘start’ this NRPN editor supposed to be included?

Dec 14 2008
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[quote="MatisseGroening":387q1rzc]Why can’t I edit my posts in this forum?

FL Studio has NRPN, but somehow it does not work with Vocaloid. NRPN can be edited with FL. In a German forum somemone created a midi controller using the Frutiy Loops Dashboard. The problem is these posts are from 2005 and end there. I never used the Dashboard. But FL Studio was the mentioned program with the possibility of editing NRPN. So we have to use this plugin to send the correct signal to Vocaloid when starting playing and rendering the song.

I use FL Studio because I wanna work quickly. And I do not even use 50% of its features. What is to do with this dashboard????? How do I ‘start’ this NRPN editor supposed to be included?[/quote:387q1rzc]

I think I have already told you, Matisse. It looks like you are spending a lot of time trying to get the Vocaloid plugin to work, with different programs. That is wasted time. The plugin is pretty bad.

The way to work with Vocaloid is through its standalone editor. The way it can interact with other music apps is–that it can import MIDI files created in other programs, including MIDI files with lyrics, and it can export the final creation as .wav, which can be imported back into other music apps. I wouldn’t waste more of your time trying to get the plugin to work.

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