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Import of midi dynamics vibrato & volume
Feb 28 2004
08:08
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[b:3m4nmmc3]Import of midi dynamics vibrato & volume[/b:3m4nmmc3]

Hi

When I import from a midi file it seems like the only thing that is included is the midi note info, pitch bend and velocity?? I am missing vibrato & volume!!! 8O

I really need Vocaloid to work with NTONYX.

http://www.ntonyx.com/vocaloid/index.htm

Mar 12 2004
09:04
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8)

I have sent a mail to the NTONYX/Jasmine guys with a suggestion that they should make some tool or update one of their existing programs, so that it can process/patch a vocaloid mid file and that it translates their algoritms to vocaloid midi controller codes, that are found when you open a vocaloid mid file. :)

Cheers
Bob
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Mar 29 2004
19:08
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Now I have sent the message again to the ONYX guys, but this time to the developers instead of the sales guys. <img class=” /> <img class=” />

I got an answer within one hour. They say they are working on this and will keep me posted. :D

Mar 29 2004
19:23
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Awesome. You usually get “it’s not our fault that developer XXX chose to implement a non-standard MIDI file format, take it up with them”.

Apr 4 2004
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Wow, got a new mail yesterday. :)

They are trying out LEON with the NTONYX modeler tool.

This is really great news!! :D

Apr 8 2004
17:23
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Here is a link to NTONYX, that has published their first effort to integrate their technique in the chain of making the Vocaloid workflow faster. :)

There is some files to check out the results with Leon.

[b:24xt2igq]Be aware – No manual Vocaloid expression parameters editing at all![/b:24xt2igq]

http://www.ntonyx.com/vocaloid…..8-2004.htm

Apr 30 2004
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New great example of the NTONYX jasmine technology on the following link http://www.jasminemusic.com/vo…..8-2004.htm

Apr 30 2004
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Thanks for the link! I’ve just checked out the latest Onyx demo and there’s definately something interesting happening over there – one to watch out for fer sure. However, purely from an objective listening point of view, at this point I do get the feeling that the demo vocal sounds a little “overcooked” stylistically and sounds in places even more unnatural than if they’d left it alone. Having said that, it would always be possible to go back into the resulting file and further tweak (by hand) any of the “preset” phrases that weren’t achieving the effect you were after. It’s such a complex job that’s being attempted, I can only admire their approach and wish them best good luck. Judging by what was said elsewhere on their site, they seem to be suggesting that styles such as “Rock”, “Pop”, “Soul” etc are something that can be modelled, with the voice being just another lump of raw clay to be moulded. While I can see the logic in that thinking, it’s clearly not the case that there is any “ideal model” for a particular music style perhaps outside of highly stylised/mannered operatics in the real world. The term Karaoke translates roughly as “an empty orchestra” which you sing along to, but what’s the term for “empty singer” which we play along to? Anti-Karaoke? Just some random thoughts provoked by listening to the Onyx styler. :roll:

Apr 30 2004
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Exactly. The resulting voice is no more “realistic” than any other demo. The effects such as vibrato are the gloss on the surface, the actual expression or character in a voice is much more subtle and your analogy of an “empty” voice just about sums it up. I hope the Onyx people can do something here but my instinct tells me this is a tall order.
Chris

May 2 2004
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There is a parallell topic for this issue:

http://www.vocaloid-user.net/modules.ph … opic&t=118

@Archie : Yeah I guess eg the Rock algoritm does not make LEON sing perfect rock on all midi processed. But perhaps it can be applied on parts of a song that needs a more rock approach. :) When modelling eg saxophone with ONYX software their is a loth of sax algoritms. So I think of Rock as the group name for rock singer algoritms.

@Andromeda : Yeah it seems like the vibrato thing is not the highest prio now, at this stage, because it can be easily adapted later.

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