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One word stretched - over several notes
Mar 12 2004
11:42
bobyordan
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[b:3ohqzpq1] One word stretched – over several notes[/b:3ohqzpq1]

Is this possible?? :)

Mar 12 2004
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Hi – my first post in this forum …

[quote:1sotjsec]Is this possible??[/quote:1sotjsec]

I was playing with this yesterday – one two-syllable word over two notes seems to work okay (with a bit of phoneme-definition tinkering depending on the word), and I expect a three-syllable word over three notes wouldn’t be a problem, but trying to get the word ‘sun’ to stretch over three notes defeated me.

I’m a total vocaloid newbie, but I suspect custom-tailoring of the phoneme definitions might be the answer. Over in one of the other forums, Admin said he (she?) will be providing a more comprehensive definition table than the one provided with the prog – sounds good to me. Maybe a tutorial when someone’s become an expert :D

Mar 12 2004
15:12
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Do you mean word or syllable? To stretch a multi-syllable word like happiness over three notes just type the text ha- in the first note, ppi- in the second and ness in the third. The hyphens are needed to tell the singer that the word continues to the next note. You may need to experiment with how you split the word though. (eg happ- i- ness?)
If you mean syllable, and wanted the word sun over three notes, type su- in the first, – in the second and n in the third. The hyphen in the second tells the singer to keep the vowel sound going through the note.
If any of the moderators are in here, they may have a more eloquent or elegant solution. <img class=” />
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Mar 14 2004
01:30
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The way i would do sun in 3 syllables is su uh un To find the right phenomes i would do sun in 1 spot then take off the n phenome, uh, then un. Lotta ways to skin a cat. Thats why I like to look at other peoples VL files.

Mar 14 2004
08:59
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Congratulations Gray you are our first “cool” user!! :D

Mar 14 2004
09:52
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Yes, what Gray says is also important. It depends a lot on how you actually want the singer to split the word “sun”. What I forgot to mention was that you get a different result, with my method, depending on whether or not the musical notes are “joined up” (legato), or have a small gap between them. If the notes are end-to-end and have snapped to the grid lines, the vowel transition is very smooth. If you separate the notes so that the first stops a little before the next begins, the singer seems to “round off” the vowel sounds and produces a different effect. And yes, if you type “sun” in the lyric boxes as I said, Vocaloid will transform this to s@n in the phonemes. You may want to experiment with changing the phonetic @ sound for something else if it doesn’t sound how you want. Hope this helps.
Chris

Mar 14 2004
12:15
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One word stretched over several notes is exactly what is in the video tut on the CD:

“My name is Lo-oh-oh-la” :D

Mar 14 2004
14:13
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[quote="Administrator":2gqokgv5]Congratulations Gray you are our first “cool” user!! :D[/quote:2gqokgv5]
Wow! I gotta slow down or your gonna have me in the freezer soon!

Mar 15 2004
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[quote="QUETZALCOATL":yiks3x1b]One word stretched over several notes is exactly what is in the video tut on the CD:

“My name is Lo-oh-oh-la” :D[/quote:yiks3x1b]

I guess the answer is NO, then. Lo-oh-oh-la is more like 4 words replacing one word to me. ;)

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Mar 15 2004
08:17
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So what exactly do you mean “stretch a word over a number of notes” if you do not mean what what I said in my answers above? Please give an example of exactly the effect you are trying to achieve. I’ll try again then.
Chris

Mar 15 2004
11:24
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Hmm – interesting discussion since I last logged in/was supposed to be working lol.

I was messing at the w/e along the same lines as both gray and Andromeda suggest with passable results – it really is all a matter of experimenting – I think it’ll be a long long time before vocaloid is an exact science! Thanks for the tips. Alex

Mar 16 2004
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[quote="andromeda":393zptp9]So what exactly do you mean “stretch a word over a number of notes” if you do not mean what what I said in my answers above? Please give an example of exactly the effect you are trying to achieve. I’ll try again then.
Chris[/quote:393zptp9]

Hi Chris

It seems like the the way to work with vocaloid is that one syllable matches one note. And if this is an ultimate limitation in the software, then
we probably have to live with that. But then I think we need some new feature “chopping up longer words into syllable words” that makes the rough work for us, to speed up the work flow. ;)

Cheers
Bob
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Mar 16 2004
14:32
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[quote="BobYordan":18h6fbgv]I think we need some new feature “chopping up longer words into syllable words” that makes the rough work for us, to speed up the work flow.[/quote:18h6fbgv]

Agreed. I think that Vocaloid should automatically spread words of more than one syllable over several notes. It’s then up to the user to move those blocks to where they want.

[or maybe you didn’t mean this at all] <img class=” />

Mar 19 2004
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[quote="QUETZALCOATL":zw7fd9z9]
Agreed. I think that Vocaloid should automatically spread words of more than one syllable over several notes. It’s then up to the user to move those blocks to where they want.

[or maybe you didn’t mean this at all] <img class=” />[/quote:zw7fd9z9]

Yep, something like eg If you write “Excellent” then vocaloid automatically detects that it contains more than one syllable and according to a default setting creates notes of a specified length that contains the the syllable words. Then the user tweaks the notes pitch, length perhaps changes a syllable word etc to make it fit. Or if notes already exists then it places the syllable words on those notes that are selected. :)

Cheers
Bob
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Mar 19 2004
10:46
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Another fine example that we need a forum for “Vocaloid Suggestions and Improvements” (if you don’t put the name of the software people will think it’s about the forum). Easier for Zero-G to collate and pass on to Yamaha, than have to wade through different forums. And maybe Yamaha might implement improvements more quickly. If they come in here anyway, they would have all sugestions in one neat place.

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