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s aU n d z - l0 aI k - @ - gh U d - aI dh i: @
Apr 12 2004
09:30
robotarchie
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I thought that it would be a gh U d – aI dh i: @ if we used this area to post up (successful) words and phrases that may be useful to the wider vocaloid community. Please add comments and notes to your submissions where necessary.

Apr 12 2004
10:34
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Archie, do you mean words like “[b:27nh3awu]Love[/b:27nh3awu]”. I’ve heard a few comments on here about Lola’s pronunciation of the word. The phoneme transform comes out as [b:27nh3awu]l0 V v[/b:27nh3awu] but I find it sounds more realistic with l0 @ v
The former is more like Lav. (Was she from the East End of London?)
I mentioned here a while ago that “[b:27nh3awu]Touch[/b:27nh3awu]” sounds better with the { vowel phoneme, rather than the one Vocaloid gives.
The problem is, it may sound right on the particular note you use (Love was on an E4 – quite high) but on another lower, higher, longer or shorter note, it will change….. Aargh
Chris

Apr 12 2004
14:08
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Thanks, Dromy, it was something you wrote that gave me the idea for this little corner in the first place – and the more here the merrier. “Love” – what a collossal word to start with! Not many people seem to realise that it’s a verb (doing word) as well. Surprisingly, I haven’t actually used the word yet in a vocaloid song. I’ll try anything once! Yes, it’s all a bit “what length is a piece of string” at the moment, but a few members profess a good grasp of phonetic pronounciation, etc that may be of interest to all, especially newbies (and those of us who are still floundering). Come on Q and Gray, etc! Pearls before swine, as they say…

Apr 12 2004
19:43
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A lexicon of Vocaloidese …. it’s the sort of thing we will see on personal web sites I’m sure.

Apr 12 2004
21:40
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Right here. Right now.

Apr 13 2004
03:50
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If our slow (or dead) admin ever posts my stuff I been uploading give a lisren to “Soldier”. I did a male and female vocal. Notice the difference in pronunciation between the 2. I also had to leave more space between words for the male to get him to say all the words. Beginning and ending consonants are a bigger problem than vowels. Thats why love is a hard word. F S and V are the worst to get pronunciation. D and B run a close second. Upping the noise level at the exact moment the consonant is spoken helps some but that also effecs subsequent vowels. Its a Bububitch and I dont stutter.

Apr 13 2004
08:01
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On the subject of consonants – I’ll be uploading another file hopefully later today, on which I spent hours trying to get some of the consonants right. One example is the word “rain”. I found it helped a lot to increase the length of the consonants in the words, rather than the noise level. You do this by double-clicking the note in the editor, then going into the [i:1s1a4t5l]setup [/i:1s1a4t5l]for the phonemes, and increasing the value for the consonants from the default 65 up to about 100. This also made the vowel in between sound better.
Cheers
Chris

Apr 13 2004
08:30
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[quote="gray":74rvrcdo]If our slow (or dead) admin ever posts my stuff……[/quote:74rvrcdo]
sorry… <img class=” /> (I just been super busy) Please try it now.

Apr 13 2004
11:16
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[quote="gray":2e7naepg]If our slow (or dead) admin ever posts my stuff I been uploading…..[/quote:2e7naepg]

Ye Gods, Gray! I’ve just checked out your latest (bulk) postings. Poor old Admin will SURELY die of exhaustion just trying to keep up with posting your stuff :D . Note to Admin : Switch your spam filter off mate, it’s only Gray trying to post! I reckon you should have your own special chart – Gray’s Top 500. You must have the most experience of using vocaloid in this club/the world. Where do you find the time?!?! I’ve only got a few simple tracks “done” and little snippets of laughable garbage to show for it all. Ho hum. <img class=” /> Back to the grind….

Apr 13 2004
12:26
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Yes indeed. Gray has been busy. Further to my posting above – the file is now on the site. It’s called “Rainchant”. (Thanks to Joe admin for processing it so quickly today and responding to my upload problem earlier.)
Cheers
Chris

Apr 13 2004
12:34
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Rainchant is a fantastic song. And I learned how to edit consonants thanks to your efforts and willingness to share information. Can’t wait to try it. Several of the songs I recently posted were also just composed. I spend more time getting Leon to sing the words than I do writing and sequencing the song.

Apr 13 2004
13:33
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You are more than welcome, Gray, and thank you so much for the kind words.
You are right about vocaloid taking so much time. I spent about 3 hours on Easter Monday just trying to get a couple of words to sound right.

Apr 13 2004
21:32
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I either give up or change the word if it takes that long. One word I solved a problem for is “our”. Its 2 syllables like fire, hire, etc. I been putting “ire” or air in its place. This time I made a 32nd note for o- and 3/32nd note for ur. came out excellent. I gotta remember that 3 to 1 ratio for next time it comes up.

Apr 13 2004
22:02
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Totally awesome- you are the Master

Apr 13 2004
23:25
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Stone me Andromeda! Rainchant is magnificent.

Apr 14 2004
10:06
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Perhaps it is time for the administrator to make some kind of a webb feature where users can input substitution words (that are then stored in a database). Then all users can print/download a list extracted from this database. I think it is a loth of work to get an overview of this kind of info in forum threads.

Apr 14 2004
22:46
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Too much work. I think a user should start something like this on their own personal site.

Apr 15 2004
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:roll: Got somewhere in mind, Q? In the meantime, this is all we got for now. Here’s a useful wee Top Tip – I’ve found that the vocaloid Spanish lisp (?) can quite often be got round by adding a space and a z after an s sound. Probably not a guaranteed result every time but has worked for me a few times now….. :D

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