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Dont overdo it
Mar 7 2004
00:23
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I have found that I was trying too hard to make Leon sound more manly. Leon has a rather high natural voice. So I was putting gender almost to the top which made him sound unnatural.

Mar 7 2004
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[quote="gray":1nl4quey]Leon has a rather high natural voice[/quote:1nl4quey]

In your personal experience perhaps. I don’t agree with this though, and it would have been silly of Zero-G to do anything other than record a singer who was somewhere in the middle.

Mar 7 2004
17:01
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I dint necesarily mean high pitch wise, but high tonal wise. In higher ranges, that even I can sing in his voice seems to become a bit effiminate. I was setting gender quality so high that it made him sound even worse. When I lowered back to abt 90 or so gender, the vocal smoothed out.

Mar 23 2004
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I don’t have Leon to make comment, but oddly I think Lola sounds better tonally in the lower pitch ranges than I was really expecting. I was hoping for another octave higher of use than I’m really happy with. I don’t know who the singer who did the sessions for the vocaloid actually is, but I “see” her voice as a black woman in her early to mid thirties? Anyone know who did Leon and when are Zero-G going to “do” Shane Ritchie?

Mar 23 2004
23:40
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Leon sound worse in the higher ranges unless you change him to a female. Then he/she sounds reasonably good.

Mar 24 2004
11:00
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Not all users will go for [i:3jq2kj2l]realistic[/i:3jq2kj2l]. No reason why we can’t make a cartoon character sing for instance :D

Mar 24 2004
12:58
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Yeah, just as long as you don’t make the actual cartoon to go with it (ref: User Agreement restrictions on use) <img class=” />

Mar 24 2004
19:20
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What is that part of the agreement about anyway?

Mar 24 2004
20:28
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I think it’s either some sort of “product identification/protection” clause-thing like Ronald McDonald/Mickey Mouse have AND/OR they just KNOW that people like me would bring them all into shameful disrepute! Given that “Top of The Pops” could sometimes be mistaken for “The Horny B*tch Contest” I can understand part of that. Anything is possible in a cartoon… just don’t try this at home, folks <img class=” />

Mar 25 2004
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So I can create a new cartoon and make him sing with Leon Vocaloid and it’s OK unless I name the cartoon Leon?

Mar 25 2004
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Ref: Owner’s Manual, Page 100, Paragraph D, Subsection C. I’m not certain as to whether it is “streng verboten” or whether you might have to apply for some kind of “additional licence”. If you’ve been thinking of making an animation featuring a character which uses vocaloid singing – and I know a few people have mentioned such a thing – I think you’d better contact Zero-G to get the details of restriction clearly understood – or better still have your lawyer call them <img class=” />

Mar 25 2004
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There are international considerations involved, but I guess that the cartoon restriction is related to what, in the USA, is called coordination rights. For example, if a (live) vocalist pays for the right to perform something such as “Where have all the flowers gone,” the usual license would not include the right to perform it as background music to a slide show about flowers (or war, or anything else such as ballet) – because the license does not include “coordination” with a visual presentation, etc. That’s a separate license.

Mar 25 2004
13:38
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I’m no copyright lawyer, but I’m not sure if I don’t read a little more into it than just a co-ordination issue. There are other references linking restriction of use to issues of offence and morality (including those rights of the original vocaloid singer) on page 98 section 3. I might have to shelf the idea of animating a cover version of “Submission” by the Sex Pistols at this rate, or at least reconsider using any bad samples which might be misconstrued as farting noises…. Seriously, though – it’s a peculiar set of clauses to find in a musical instrument manual, no?

Mar 26 2004
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If the human identity of Vocaloid’s voice isn’t known at point of purchase, nor after, during use of said product, then I have no compunction to view the matter as anything other than utter misanthropic b*ll*cks .. catch me if you can <img class=” />

Mar 26 2004
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I don’t think they want a particular vocaloid voice to become closely associated with any particular “third party entity” such as a cartoon character, or the confusion which might arise from a hundred different “entities” all with the same voice. Lola is a good girl. Lola is a bad girl. Conversely, “The Banana Splitz “or “Gorillaz” wouldn’t take too kindly I suppose if you went ahead and dubbed them over with your own sound. I wonder – if I sampled a bass (player) and then made a really obscene record with it, would the (bass) player be entitled to sue me for bringing his reputation into disrepute by association? Answers on a postcard, please. All correspondence will be held in my round filing cabinet until the fat cleaning lady sings.

Mar 27 2004
03:00
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[quote="RobotArchie":2873vb9l]I don’t think they want a particular vocaloid voice to become closely associated with any particular “third party entity” such as a cartoon character[/quote:2873vb9l]

Make a case for this not a base player! The analogy is not a good one at all. Vocaloid is a synth, nothing more.

Mar 27 2004
16:01
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Hmm, difficult area we’re getting into here. Pardon my clumsy analogies, but I have lots of synths, both real and virtual, and vocaloid is extraordinary to me in that it is the only one I’ve got that’s actually capable of forming/transmitting singing SPEECH (lyrics whatever). With that comes the notion of transmitting ideas and opinions. This powerful communicative capability alone makes it potentially the most powerful synth to date and puts it I believe in a class of one and not just another synth per se. Obviously Yamaha and Zero-G have considered this and hence we have this extraordinary (unprecedented?) licence situation. I don’t pretend to understand all the ramifications of it, merely taking the opportunity here to point it out. I seldom read my User Agreements, so it came as a surprise to find these peculiar clauses. It’s amazing what you can sign up to just by opening a box (ask Pandora….) :)

Mar 27 2004
20:46
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Well page 100, clause ‘d’ in the user manual needs to be re-written before I wet myself laughing. It’s pathetic frankly. It seems to be all about protecting the integrity of the original singers behind the Vocaloid vocal libraries. I’ve never read so much drivel in all my life.

According to that clause, if I decide to make a record, which features Leon as lead vocalist, in a novelty record which celebrates the dawn of a new era in music technology, I am breaking their silly little rule :!:. So, what is the point of anyone here attempting to make a Vocaloid track using Vocaloid as lead vocal? The track, no matter how good it was, would never be able to see the light of day as a record. They would need to re-record it using a real singer!?! My statement should assume that the lyrics of my song would a) not defame Zero-G or the name Vocaloid, nor the real singers, and b) was not in away about Vocaloid or it’s makers, but a love song.

Mar 27 2004
21:01
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“Resistance Is Futile…” (The Borg Collective)

Mar 27 2004
21:25
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Cool it Q, man. All that clause says is that you [b:2fvkrvp5]may[/b:2fvkrvp5] need to get an extra additional license. It doesn’t ban it.
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